Bronn Spellforger
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I'm pretty sure my DM would rule that hiding in the midst of sticky FLAMMABLE webs wouldn't give you cover from a fireball...
Fireball and Web -- good combo?
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I'm pretty sure my DM would rule that hiding in the midst of sticky FLAMMABLE webs wouldn't give you cover from a fireball...
Magic Rub
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My mage uses the Web/Fire Ball combo all the time. As a DM I had a army of mages using the same tactic. OH THE FIRE, OH THE SMELL OF BURNING!!!!!! I LOVE THIS COMBO!!!!!!!!!
ahem. . .
Sorry back to on to the reason I'm here. If placed correctly the foe's can be trapped in the Web, and still get hit by a Fireball with little hope in hell (pick a level) of avoiding the flames... meaning no cover bonus, except for the one they might get for sticking their heads between their legs & kissing their butt's goodbye! Oh wait they might not be able to do that, because they're caught prone in a loosely knit & flammable substance.
ahem. . .
Sorry back to on to the reason I'm here. If placed correctly the foe's can be trapped in the Web, and still get hit by a Fireball with little hope in hell (pick a level) of avoiding the flames... meaning no cover bonus, except for the one they might get for sticking their heads between their legs & kissing their butt's goodbye! Oh wait they might not be able to do that, because they're caught prone in a loosely knit & flammable substance.
karooba said:
Eh, Ooops
You are perfectly right, just had a little brain failure when I read it.
I still think it's reasonable to rule that the cover must give protection against the effect to be counted as cover, e.g. walls do not give cover against etheral attacks, as they do not stop that type of attack.
Using this analogy, a web does not give any cover bonus against the effect of a fireball, as (exploded) fireballs are not stopped or hindered by a web. It will however give a cover bonus to targeting the fireball inside the web, thus forcing a ranged touch attack. A failed attack will cause the fireball to detonate at the near end of the web, possibly excluding creatures trapped further inside the web from the blast area.
Agree ?
.Ziggy
Henry
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SOOOO, let me get this straight: A lightning bolt spell would NOT have its line of effect stopped by a web, but shooting it through the area occupied by the immobilized people would be totally immune to it? A fireball could COMPLETELY cover the area an immobilized person is standing in, but the immobilized person is completely untouched?
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That's rich.
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That's rich.
Artoomis
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[quoteThe web provides one-quarter cover for every 5 feet of the substance between the character and an opponent—one-half cover for 10 feet of web, three-quarters for 15 feet, and total cover for 20 feet or more.
The strands of a web spell are flammable. A magic flaming sword can slash them away as easily as a hand brushes away cobwebs. Any fire—a torch, burning oil, a flaming sword, etc.—can set them alight and burn away 5 square feet in 1 round. All creatures within flaming webs take 2d4 points of damage from the flames.[/quote]
Reading those together, Id say you get no cover vs. Fireball or Lightning Bolt (how much cover do you suppose cobwebs supply? I think none.)
As for other spells - it looks like the line of effect will be blocked after 20 feet. Before that you'll need to decide for yourself - it depends on how you think the WEB works and how easy it is to target inside the WEB.
The strands of a web spell are flammable. A magic flaming sword can slash them away as easily as a hand brushes away cobwebs. Any fire—a torch, burning oil, a flaming sword, etc.—can set them alight and burn away 5 square feet in 1 round. All creatures within flaming webs take 2d4 points of damage from the flames.[/quote]
Reading those together, Id say you get no cover vs. Fireball or Lightning Bolt (how much cover do you suppose cobwebs supply? I think none.)
As for other spells - it looks like the line of effect will be blocked after 20 feet. Before that you'll need to decide for yourself - it depends on how you think the WEB works and how easy it is to target inside the WEB.
The boards ate my last post, but Artoomis said it more eloquently anyway 
I agree with his interpretation, but is a more unsure about cold, acid and sonic damage. I guess we'll have to assign a hardness and HP to the web, most spells will continue if they manage to destroy the intervening cover (see e.g. lightning-bolt). Any ideas for what these numbers should be ?
As for spells which need line of effect, but do no damage, they should definitely be stopped by the web. I would also use the cover of the web for spells that need to be targeted inside the web, a failure means premature detonation.
.Ziggy
I agree with his interpretation, but is a more unsure about cold, acid and sonic damage. I guess we'll have to assign a hardness and HP to the web, most spells will continue if they manage to destroy the intervening cover (see e.g. lightning-bolt). Any ideas for what these numbers should be ?
As for spells which need line of effect, but do no damage, they should definitely be stopped by the web. I would also use the cover of the web for spells that need to be targeted inside the web, a failure means premature detonation.
.Ziggy
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