Flurry of Blows and Two Weapon Fighting

[SorroW]

I have a problem whith my Monk. He wants too be a Staff fighter so he takes the feat Two Weapon Fighting. Sure no problems I say, but then he wants to Flurry. How do we work out the to-hit bonuses??

I can't find this anywhere, and really need the answer.

 

[Viktyr Gehrig]

He can't do both at the same time-- he can either Flurry or he can fight with both ends of the Quarterstaff.

Flurry is almost always the better option, since you can get 1.5x Strength bonus damage, and at later levels, no penalties.

 

[SorroW]

Where do you find that in the Rules?? A quote from the rulebook with page number would be great!

 

[Viktyr Gehrig]

I'll be damned. I can't find a passage to support me here.

Alright-- if you intend to allow this, the Monk would take -2 from his Flurry of Blows (until this ability improves) and -2 from the Two-Weapon Fighting, for a total of -4 to each attack. He'd get one extra attack from the Flurry and one extra attack from TWF, for three attacks at -4-- before adjustment for his Strength and/or Weapon Focus.

At 5th level, this would decrease to -3 on each attack, and at 9th, the Monk would have no penalty from Flurry of Blows, so only the -2 from TWF would remain.

At 8th, he'd be qualified for Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, so would have three Flurry of Blows Attacks (+2/+2/-3) and two off-hand attacks (+2/-3). Of course, he couldn't actually take the feat until 9th level, when his Flurry penalty disappears, for +3/+3/-2 with one end and +3/-2 with the other.

At 11th, he gains an additional attack from Flurry, so he attacks at +6/+6/+6/+1 and +6/+1.

At 15th level, he gains an extra iterative attack and is qualified for Greater Two-Weapon Fighting, so it becomes +9/+9/+9/+4/-1 and +9/+4/-1.

And I think you'd have to be completely insane to allow this.

 

[Christian]

What the hey!!!!! I can't find anything either! Anyone else? This would be a major change in 3.5, if a monk can flurry and use TWF (ITWF, etc.) while flurrying ...

 

[Dr. Zoom]

Although there is no explicit statement in the flurry of blows section on this, it seems obvious IMO that flurry of blows and two-weapon fighting do not combine, especially when just considering a flurry of blows with an unarmed strike. Only when the monk uses a special monk weapon does this seem to become blurry. Using a monk weapon in a flurry of blows is no differant than using an unarmed strike, so there is no such thing as an offhand attack in a flurry of blows. This should be enough to surmise that you cannot combine flurry of blows with two-weapon fighting.

 

[Benben]

A bookkeeping nightmare.

If you want to be a stickler for the rules though, remember that the extra attacks gained from the Two Weapon Fighting feats (basic, improved, and greater) will only use half of the character's Strength modifier for damage rolls. The extra flurry attack will use the full Str modifier.

 

[AGGEMAM]

When using flurry of blows, a monk may attack only with unarmed strikes or with special monk weapons (kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham). She may attack with unarmed strikes and special monk weapons interchangeably as desired. When using weapons as part of a flurry of blows, a monk applies her Strength bonus (not Str bonus x ƒn1-1/2 or xƒn1/2) to her damage rolls for all successful attacks, whether she wields a weapon in one or both hands. The monk can¡¦t use any weapon other than a special monk weapon as part of a flurry of blows.
In the case of the quarterstaff, each end counts as a separate weapon for the purpose of using the flurry of blows ability. Even though the quarterstaff requires two hands to use, a monk may still intersperse unarmed strikes with quarterstaff strikes, assuming that she has enough attacks in her flurry of blows routine to do so.

I think it is clear enough.

 

[Viktyr Gehrig]

I think it is clear enough.

It's not clear enough to indicate whether or not this is allowed.

 

[Fleetwood]

Ah Mr. Miagyi teach:

If a monk weapon, furry of bows, yes.
If monk weapon no, use two-weapon fight rules.

Nuff said.