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Right, but on the other hand they are different from Greyhawk in key ways. Waterdeep Nad Greyhawk are both pretty much just Lankhmar, with similar circumstances. Icewind Dale has the rural Frontier angle going for it, amd Baldur's Gate has a different constitutional make-up (and is a tie-in to the hit video game series). Waterdeep is probably also less impacted by any events if they want to "advance thw timeline" at all.

Waterdeep is much larger and with bigger population more advanced technology, more magic, a bigger dungeon, possibly more dungeons, more frequent deity visits, etc... then Greyhawk, so I'm not sure what the comparison is based upon. I admit I know nothing about Lankmar.

I think the fact that BG got that slot is as simple as BG3, that us it.
 

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Parmandur

Book-Friend, he/him
Waterdeep is much larger and with bigger population more advanced technology, more magic, a bigger dungeon, possibly more dungeons, more frequent deity visits, etc... then Greyhawk, so I'm not sure what the comparison is based upon. I admit I know nothing about Lankmar.

I think the fact that BG got that slot is as simple as BG3, that us it.
No, Greyhawk and Waterdeep are more or less the same deal: which is not a surprise, since Ed Gree wood created Waterdeep as a setting for his Lankhmar crossover fan-fiction, and then adopted it to OD&D tropes based on Gygax's ideas for Greyhawk (itself also openly modeled on Lankhmar).

I'm not saying anything against Greyhawk, Waterdeep or Lankhmar to point out that Wateerdeep may have felt redundant as a detailed hub city, whereas Baldur's Gaye differs on major points in ways that Hreyjawk and Waterdeep do not.

And yeah, the video game.
 

No, Greyhawk and Waterdeep are more or less the same deal: which is not a surprise, since Ed Gree wood created Waterdeep as a setting for his Lankhmar crossover fan-fiction, and then adopted it to OD&D tropes based on Gygax's ideas for Greyhawk (itself also openly modeled on Lankhmar).

I'm not saying anything against Greyhawk, Waterdeep or Lankhmar to point out that Wateerdeep may have felt redundant as a detailed hub city, whereas Baldur's Gaye differs on major points in ways that Hreyjawk and Waterdeep do not.

And yeah, the video game.

There are similarities such as city shape, being the biggest most important city on its continent, troops on Griffin back, politics and trade dominated by a mix of Guilds and Noble Houses, a sizable surrounding territory around the city.

But Waterdeep is far, far more gonzo in some many ways, from raw population size (even Baldur's Gate has alot more population then Greyhawk in the city proper), to magic, wealth, infrastructure, and species diversity.

Waterdeep has giant animated statues, Undermountain (its megadungeon has its dungeons and town), the Temple of Mystra and the Seldarine (and a host of others, not small temples either), A MYTHAL protecting it from Dragon attacks, enough wealth and magic that it magically transports alot of its building materials, it's Open Lord Laeral Silverhand is a challenge rating 17 vs 12 for Mordy, and the current Blackstaff I read on a wiki challenge 13, the roads going into and out of it in its territories are paved, not girl. It has Nimblewrights and goods from Lantan and Baldur's Gate and it's own temple of Gond. It has public transportation the Drays, teleportation circles, portals to other planes, powerful allies, Spelljammer port of sorts, it was so rich until rescently it didn't even bother with taxes outside of emergencies.

Waterdeep is also on the Ocean so it trades with other continents and nations, as well as tapping into the vast resources of the Ocean (fish, pearls, etc..., major roadways to the North, South, and East towards the Sea of Fallen Stars, connections to the Underdark, major industry.


So I think in original conception both had the same basic inspiration, but overtime Waterdeep just kept getting juiced up and juiced up.
 


The article seems to have the cover art for the two FR books coming next year, I couldn't find any other sources for those two pieces of art doing a reverse image search to see if they were borrowed placeholders.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend, he/him
So I think in original conception both had the same basic inspiration, but overtime Waterdeep just kept getting juiced up and juiced up.
Well, sure, but I'm talking basics here, and they were definitely conceptually the same deal. And the DMG presentation of a hub base that I expect will be repeated here is high concept, not detail focused.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend, he/him

The article seems to have the cover art for the two FR books coming next year, I couldn't find any other sources for those two pieces of art doing a reverse image search to see if they were borrowed placeholders.
Could be from a press kit, most likely. Thst StarterSet image looks like a legitimate new depiction of tge recognizable Keep on the Borderlands, at least.
 

TwoSix

Magic 8-ball says "Not Encouraging"
There are similarities such as city shape, being the biggest most important city on its continent, troops on Griffin back, politics and trade dominated by a mix of Guilds and Noble Houses, a sizable surrounding territory around the city.

But Waterdeep is far, far more gonzo in some many ways, from raw population size (even Baldur's Gate has alot more population then Greyhawk in the city proper), to magic, wealth, infrastructure, and species diversity.

Waterdeep has giant animated statues, Undermountain (its megadungeon has its dungeons and town), the Temple of Mystra and the Seldarine (and a host of others, not small temples either), A MYTHAL protecting it from Dragon attacks, enough wealth and magic that it magically transports alot of its building materials, it's Open Lord Laeral Silverhand is a challenge rating 17 vs 12 for Mordy, and the current Blackstaff I read on a wiki challenge 13, the roads going into and out of it in its territories are paved, not girl. It has Nimblewrights and goods from Lantan and Baldur's Gate and it's own temple of Gond. It has public transportation the Drays, teleportation circles, portals to other planes, powerful allies, Spelljammer port of sorts, it was so rich until rescently it didn't even bother with taxes outside of emergencies.

Waterdeep is also on the Ocean so it trades with other continents and nations, as well as tapping into the vast resources of the Ocean (fish, pearls, etc..., major roadways to the North, South, and East towards the Sea of Fallen Stars, connections to the Underdark, major industry.


So I think in original conception both had the same basic inspiration, but overtime Waterdeep just kept getting juiced up and juiced up.
So basically, Greyhawk and Waterdeep are like characters of the same class, but Greyhawk is Tier 2 and Waterdeep is Tier 4.
 

mamba

Legend

The article seems to have the cover art for the two FR books coming next year, I couldn't find any other sources for those two pieces of art doing a reverse image search to see if they were borrowed placeholders.
looks like AI generated placeholder art
 



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