D&D 5E [Forgotten Realms] The Wall of the Faithless

[MonsterEnvy]

It sounds like we probably play similarly. I just don't get the attitude expressed by certain posters that there is no circumventing the fate of non-believer characters. It's freaking D&D: Everything is malleable. Nothing is absolute. The slavish devotion to the dogma of "canon" on the forums is almost as bad as that of the in-game Realms' gods.

I kind of like the idea of a crossover, where the Gods of Greyhawk get wind of what's going on over in the Realms and pay a visit to the Realms to kick a little butt. AO turns out to be an agent of the Far Realm, subtly enslaving the entire Realms in an effort to bring about the destruction of the multiverse and the return of the Ancient Ones

Edit: For those who may not have spotted it, the clue was there all along: AO: Ancient Ones.

Why would the gods of Greyhawk do that? They have no motivation to do so and they share a bunch of gods anyway. They are no better then the gods of the realms and even if they did decide to attack Faerun for some reason just one of them has to say no and none of them can do anything.

Also why do you want to paint AO as a bad guy. He has done nothing wrong. The plan you are suggesting also makes no sense on AO's part as he predates all of the other gods and life on Faerun, is more powerful then them all and has actually cleaned up some of their messes. He also actively rejects worship. He does not grant any powers to those who worship them and instead makes them suffer bad luck until they stop. He is effectivly a nicer Lady of Pain that actually organizes the place.

Also AO is Alpha and Omega.

 

[sunshadow21]

It sounds like we probably play similarly. I just don't get the attitude expressed by certain posters that there is no circumventing the fate of non-believer characters.

I can see it as the default for NPCs. For PCs, all bets are off.

 

[MG.0]

Why would the gods of Greyhawk do that? They have no motivation to do so and they share a bunch of gods anyway. They are no better then the gods of the realms and even if they did decide to attack Faerun for some reason just one of them has to say no and none of them can do anything.

So? Maybe they all want to. Motivation is up to the DM and the campaign.

Also why do you want to paint AO as a bad guy. He has done nothing wrong. The plan you are suggesting also makes no sense on AO's part as he predates all of the other gods and life on Faerun, is more powerful then them all and has actually cleaned up some of their messes. He also actively rejects worship. He does not grant any powers to those who worship them and instead makes them suffer bad luck until they stop.

How do you know he isn't a bad guy? We do know he is subservient to someone or something's interests and rejecting worship could be to avoid unwanted attention.

He is effectivly a nicer Lady of Pain that actually organizes the place.

Being organized is not the same as being nice.

Also AO is Alpha and Omega.

Is that stated anywhere? Ever heard of a double entendre?

 

[MonsterEnvy]

I said he is a nicer Lady of pain. That does not make him nice he is just nicer. If you worship him he makes you suffer bad luck until you stop. If you worship the Lady of Pain she ether flays you alive or traps you in an endless maze with only one exist.

I am just asking why you want to make him a bad guy. He does not do anything.

Also avoiding attention is pointless because there is no being that can oppose him in the forgotten realms. You just seem overly hostile to all of the realms cosmology.

As mentioned The greyhawk gods share gods with toril and have no reason to attack and destroy the realms. Other then well you deciding to make the Greyhawk Gods a bunch of evil jerks for no reason.

Ed Greenwood is the one who stated AO stands for Alpha and Omega. The Beginning and the End.

 

[NotActuallyTim]

How do you know he isn't a bad guy? We do know he is subservient to someone or something's interests and rejecting worship could be to avoid unwanted attention.

AO is too much of a non entity to be a bad guy. Sure he's in charge, but minus tossing gods out of the heavens every once in a while what has he actually done?

 

[MonsterEnvy]

AO is too much of a non entity to be a bad guy. Sure he's in charge, but minus tossing gods out of the heavens every once in a while what has he actually done?

Fixed the Spell Plague, Fixed the Weave and brought Toril back to how it looked largely before the Spellplague, and brought a bunch of gods back to life during the recent Sundering. Then make it so the gods can't manifest avatars or overtly affect the material plane anymore. Forcing them to take on a more subtle and distant role from now on. (Tiamat attempted to bypass this by getting summoned to the Material Plane while none of the other gods could do crap anymore in order to dominate it.)

Then he said this is the last time I am fixing up Toril. Anything that happens now stays that way.

So Sundering,Time of Troubles, and helping set the universe up are everything he has ever done.

 

[Sword of Spirit]

I just don't get the attitude expressed by certain posters that there is no circumventing the fate of non-believer characters. It's freaking D&D: Everything is malleable. Nothing is absolute.

The in-character freedom of D&D is what I think is as much fun as the DM freedom. You can theoretically do just about anything--especially when your level gets high enough. Yes you *can* kill the Lady of Pain. If you can't, it's because your DM won't let you. (And the attitude that you can't that was found in the Planescape material came out of the same era of gaming that White Wolf's World of Darkness did, where the idea was to create an artistic vision and strong theme for the game, and then tell the GM that that is the only way to play it and they need to enforce it.)

 

[Irennan]

Then he said this is the last time I am fixing up Toril. Anything that happens now stays that way.

Just wait a couple other editions

 

[Mecheon]

I'm pretty sure none of the original content created by the video games should be taken as canon, even for the edition in which it was created.

50% of Dark Sun content comes from a video game. Seriously, half of the creatures (Including the Psurlon I believe) were in a game before they got stats

Regardless, no. They are canon. I'm not saying "Planescape: Torment, the most well regarded D&D video game ever invented, is not canon". Also what they do with Mrykul in NWN 2 is far better than what they were going to do with him elsewhere

Fixed the Spell Plague, Fixed the Weave and brought Toril back to how it looked largely before the Spellplague, and brought a bunch of gods back to life during the recent Sundering.

See, this is why Ao is a bad guy. The FR gods have needed to be sliced down to size for a long time now, and when it happens he just tries to revert it.

 

[Irennan]

Regardless, no. They are canon. I'm not saying "Planescape: Torment, the most well regarded D&D video game ever invented, is not canon". Also what they do with Mrykul in NWN 2 is far better than what they were going to do with him elsewhere.

Myrkul is back, though. That makes at least some of the events in NWN2 MotB (the part where he is basically deleted from existence) rather non canon. VGs are canon only if they don't contradict other FR products.