Formian's Advocate: Understanding LN (merged)

[Mistwell]

I liked alot of what you said, but I find the above to be... Not in total agreement. Bureacracies are notably inefficient as everything must be regularly checked and doubled checked and the checkers must be checked and the then there are random checks to keep the checker's checkers on their toes. There are reports the checkers have to file and statistics someone else has to come up with from the reports. Then the boss has to have a meeting to improve effiency. And all that is accomplished at that meeting is another meeting is scheduled where they will come up with a rough draft for the adjenda of the series of meetings that will improve effiency.

And to pay for all those checkers and meetings, you need taxes to go up. When taxes go up, wages have to go up to compensate. And when wages go up, so do prices.

I agree. More bureacracy /= low taxes and high efficiency. But then, I don't think lawful neutral has to mean more bureacracy (it does in my Santa Monica example, but does not in the Irvine example).

 

[jgbrowning]

everyone is breaking low-level laws and most laws are only enforced if someone makes a report about it.

Why make those laws anyway?

joe b.

 

[dmccoy1693]

Why make those laws anyway?

Federal Highway Money.

 

[Tonguez]

I'd say most tribal hierarchies tend towards a LN organisation

The individual is obligated to support the 'family' (a multi-generation clan) and in turn the family has obligations to the tribe. Their individual rights are secondary to the unity and honour of the family - what one person does all are responsible for etc etc

Whether a person does good or evil is irrelevant as long as they maintain the integrity of the whole, indeed evil is defined as that which causes harm to the family

 

[Imp]

A lawful neutral society can be almost any political system as long as it takes adherence to its set of rules as an absolute top priority. Whether that set of rules is an intricate set of traditions, a system ostensibly designed to foster strength in those that follow them, or a collectivist absorption of the individual towards the greater self of the group or the state, these are all possibilties. Lawful Neutral societies can be as diverse as the rules they live by.

 

[Razz]

You should change the title of your thread to "Modron's Advocate", as we all know Modrons are better suited in all aspects for representing LN than those bugged-out Formians.

 

[Crothian]

I think a good example of LN organization is those housing develops that have all those rules to keep property values up. Like no pink flamingos and only certain kinds of mail boxes and only fences of certain kinds and heights, etc.

 

[Nahat Anoj]

You should change the title of your thread to "Modron's Advocate", as we all know Modrons are better suited in all aspects for representing LN than those bugged-out Formians.

lol, that is in fact what the original title was. However, I decided to change it to formians because modrons don't seem to play a big role in 3e, and I wanted to be hip with the kids .

 

[Nahat Anoj]

I'd like to second WayneLigon's request to merge this thread with "Formian's Advocate ...". Or, because this one seems to have gotten the most responses, merge "Formian's Advocate ..." with this one .

 

[Stalker0]

I would consider the Minbari from B5 a LN society. They are strictly rigid in traditions, customs, and mannerisms. They have a ceremony for everything. And while they are capable of good deeds and stalwart courage, they are also capable of unspeakable horror.