Fury over Black Hermione Granger

[MechaPilot]

That's why I'm a programmer and not a law-talking-guy!

I'm not a lawyer, but I play one in front of the IRS.

Without access to the Westlaw database or a full legal library (which is so much more tedious than using the databases) it's quite difficult to fully research the relevant regulations and case law for self defense (not to mention variances from state to state).

However, searching for the statute for the state in which I live is easy enough, and the statute regarding the use of force for defense of self or another can be paraphrased as follows (link to the actual statute text):

Unless certain conditions exist, there is a legally rebuttable presumption that the use of force to protect oneself or another is justified if there is an "honest and reasonable belief that imminent death of, sexual assault of, or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another individual will occur" if the person you use deadly force against is breaking and entering, committing home invasion, or forcibly removing a person from a home or business premises and the person using force is not himself in the commission of a crime.

 

[MechaPilot]

Well, then I guess since the Germans were Nazis and who are well known for it, all Germans should be treated like Nazis, right? Sorry, but if you are going to associate me with something I am not associating myself with, that's on you and you're a racist for doing it if skin color is involved.

Not all Germans were Nazis. Just ask some German Jews, if you can find any. Even among Non-Jewish Germans there were those who didn't believe in the goals of the Nazi party/government. Heck, there was even a conspiracy of German military officers that didn't support the Nazi agenda and tried to kill Hitler.

Also, you're making a false comparison. A person who is just of German heritage is comparable to a person who is simply white, not comparable to a person who is white and organizing a "white pride" event.

However, if I heard that a local group of German-Americans were going to hold an "Aryan Pride Rally" I'd steer clear of it like the plague and assume that everyone involved was racist, and that assumption would be both reasonable and non-racist because of the Nazis' and the skinhead movement's espousal of an Aryan master race.

Furthermore, I currently work in fast food. I see a lot of people come through the drive through, and there are some white customers with shaved heads who come through bearing German cross and/or SS bolt tattoos. I have to smile and give them the same service that I give to other customers because that's my job; but if it were up to me I'd tell them that the franchise I work work for doesn't believe in associating with hate groups and I'd politely ask them not to come back.

 

[Eltab]

Is Hogwarts limited to recruiting students from London / England / isle of Britain?
If not, there's this historical thing called the British Empire, which included plenty of territory where black-skinned people live. Hogwarts could have a special relationship with magic-using societies based in the former empire, and take in promising students from overseas.
She uses 'Hermione' because it's easier to pronounce in English than her given birth-name.

 

[Morrus]

Is Hogwarts limited to recruiting students from London / England / isle of Britain?
If not, there's this historical thing called the British Empire, which included plenty of territory where black-skinned people live.

Wait, what? Are you under the impression that the UK does not have black people in it? It's a very diverse and ethnically multicultural country. Especially in major cities like London.

 

[Guest 85555]

The reason for that is that nobody would believe anyone else he tried to have a white pride rally that wasn't racist. They'd be instantly villainized as racists and so nobody does it other than the racists.

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I think you are overestimating the number of white people itching to hold pride rallies for reasons other than racism.

 

[Elf Witch]

I have been reading some of these comments and I can't believe that we still need to explain why black lives matter or why there were black colleges and black history month or even at one time black beauty pageants.

It is because all history in the US is white history, white lives have always mattered, at one time only black colleges were the only ones accepting black students. Racism is still very much alive in the US just look at what Obama has had to deal with. I don't see anyone screaming for Ted Cruz's birth certificate I have never seen other first ladies described as apes. Civil rights have improved since the days of Jim Crow but there are still issues.

Look how eagerly certain news organizations painted Treyon Martin as a thug. In Texas a rich white boy gets drunks and kills four people and gets probation a black boy gets drunk kills one person and goes to jail. And this is still common. For that rich white boy he not only had the privilege of being white but economic privilege as well.

I have a friend he is a doctor and works at Jackson Memorial in Miami which is a very bad neighborhood. In 2015 he was pulled over 36 times because his car matched a reported stolen car, his colleague drives the same make and model and even color and he has never been puled over once the difference is my friend is black and his colleague is white. It is common enough to have a name driving while black.

This whole thing about white pride is stupid we have always had pride every president until Obama looked liked us, all the Mercury and Apollo astronauts looked like us. our history is filled with white people doing extraordinary things while ignoring what other races often did. Minorities talk about having pride because that was denied them for so long.

I don't have white guilt because I personally have never done anything bad to anyone else but I do acknowledge that my race has done some pretty bad things.

Allowing minorities to have pride in where they came from, changing a few characters from white to a minority does not diminish me or hurt me in anyway.

One last thing yes individual minority folks can be bigoted and no it is not right but it is not truly racism because it is not institutionalized. Just because a few black people hate your guts they don't have the power the white people had to take away your rights or deny you equal rights.

 

[MechaPilot]

One last thing yes individual minority folks can be bigoted and no it is not right but it is not truly racism because it is not institutionalized. Just because a few black people hate your guts they don't have the power the white people had to take away your rights or deny you equal rights.

The lack of institutionality doesn't make it not racism: it just makes that racism less effective. Just as an example of the difference, consider racism and interracial marriage. If the racism isn't institutionalized, you could be excommunicated from your family for marrying outside your race. If it were institutionalized, you could go to jail for marrying outside your race. One of those punishments is a far more effective deterrent than the other, but they are both deterrents.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

The lack of institutionality doesn't make it not racism: it just makes that racism less effective.

I am a black man, and I approve this message.

 

[Kramodlog]

Saying you're proud to be white when nobody is saying you're inferior is not racist, either.

It is in our current context. Those who say they are proud white people are klan members and the likes. If you want to say you are a proud white person, well it is you who decides to be associated with them.

People are allowed to take pride in themselves. You don't need to be some sort of underdog to do so.

So be proud of being USian or Irish or whatever.

The justice system is not slanted against anyone. Everyone is supposed to be treated the exact same way. It's some of the people involved in running the justice system that are the problem. A failure to implement a system properly is a people problem, not a system problem.

That is some impressive mental gymnastics to avoid using "institutional racism". Institutions are created and runned by people so institutions can be racist. Or sexist. Or homophobic...

It absolutely exists.

Guess what, marginal, the word that I used, doesn't mean racism towards white people doesn't exist. You are attacking a strawman once more.

I don't mind resisting oppression. Oppression should very much be resisted. However, many take it well beyond resistance and tread deep into racism based on prior experiences.

So attack those people and what they are saying when they cross that line. The idea behind Black Lives Matter isn't about racism against white people, so there is no need for you to opposite or attack it.

I'm not a part of any racism they experienced, so they have no business taking out that frustration on me.

Black Lives Matter has oppressed you personally?

I don't care what they have been saying. They are not me and are not connected to me.

So stop using words like "white pride" or suck up the criticism and stop complaining about something that is your responsability (using klan concepts).

No I'm not. I can only be associated with things I associate myself with.

Not really. Other people can associate you with stuff even if you do not want the association with it. If I see you driving a Gremlin I can associate you with other Gremlin drivers even if you do not want that association. People are free to make the associations they want like. You are free to deny it. But it is hard to deny you aren't a Gremlin driver when you drive one.

If you associate me with it, it's your fault and I have every right to blame you for it.

So if you have a right to blame people for doing stuff you do not like, black people have every right to blame police officers for the shooting of black people? They have every right to blame white people for instutitonalized racism? Seems like you have double standards.

 

[Maxperson]

Wait, what? Are you under the impression that the UK does not have black people in it? It's a very diverse and ethnically multicultural country. Especially in major cities like London.

I didn't gather that from what he said. Read it again. It seems like he's saying that due to the huge area controlled by the British empire, there would be people of other cultures present and that the name Hermione could have been used for the sake of ease, instead of a name that sounds black.