GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8--Final Run-- Part 5

Zardnaar

Legend
Problem with Dany as the big bad though is they only have a one episode build to it vs 8 seasons of say The Night King. Hell watch the first ever episode the build was for the white walkers.
 

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jonesy

A Wicked Kendragon
I have an idea on how to explain Drogon's dominance this episode.

Euron only managed to get three scorpions constructed and their crews trained. The ones that killed Rhaegal.

The rest of the scorpions were literal cardboard cutouts. Dany figured it out because she is also a cardboard cutout this season.
 

Sadras

Hero
I have an idea on how to explain Drogon's dominance this episode.

Euron only managed to get three scorpions constructed and their crews trained. The ones that killed Rhaegal.

The rest of the scorpions were literal cardboard cutouts. Dany figured it out because she is also a cardboard cutout this season.

Euron is also a cardboard cut out, cut from the same place they made Captain Marvel.

In other news there is a youtube vid going around by actor Ian McElhinney (Ser Barristan Selmy) at a 2019 russian con where he states that GRRM finished books 6+7 but cut a deal to release them soon after season 8.

Check minute 31:29

If this is true...
 
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Joker

First Post
Euron is also a cardboard cut out, cut from the same place they made Captain Marvel.

In other news there is a youtube vid going around by actor Ian McElhinney (Ser Barristan Selmy) at a 2019 russian con where he states that GRRM finished books 6+7 but cut a deal to release them soon after season 8.

Check minute 31:29

If this is true...

Good on him for wanting to make some money. He's got a few good charities going. I don't mind it.
 




Joker

First Post
Oh, right. Let's just toss the whole prophecy out the window with that one. The least they could have done would have been to have him tenderly holding her neck while kissing her when they died, so at least she could have died with the younger brother's hands around her neck like the prophecy said.

The prophecies aren't exactly set in stone. People have human ways of interpreting them, seeing signs where there aren't any. A fair number of them don't even come true.
George has said as much in his interviews. Prophecies are sometimes self-fulfilling. Sometimes they come true in ways that aren't particularly grand.

Aside from that, I don't see how whether the prophecy coming true or not affects the emotion of those scenes. For me, both of them are tragic characters.
 

Kaodi

Adventurer
Cersei was killed by her little brothers in a sense. Tyrion frees Jaime, who convinces Cersei there is a way out through the catacombs, but it is buried and they both die. Maybe if Tyrion had left Jaime alone Cersei would have gone out a different way (and probably still died in the end).
 

While I think the writing and pace these last two seasons has undercut some of the story and characters, I loved how this season has subverted all expectations. Daenerys isn’t a liberator, but a vengeful conqueror. For all Tyrion’s vaunted intellect, his plan fails. Jon just spends this episode being horrified. Neither Arya nor Jaime kills Cersei. Cleganebowl was about the only thing that I thought went how one would've expected it to.

It’s not perfect, but honestly, ending a series with this much going on isn’t easy (as evidenced by GRRM still being stuck). There are bound to be some rough edges. But the top TV show is one with dragons and undead and magic swords, and that’s still pretty darn incredible.
 


Istbor

Dances with Gnolls
I mean, Tyrion is the Hand of the Queen to killed Cersei. So... he kind of killed her... maybe that was all the prophecy was. Or maybe the showrunners don't care about that bit, while the books if they ever come out, will go more into that.
 


Istbor

Dances with Gnolls
I've watched far more than you, I bet.

I can't think of another episode of anything that had so much stupid, illogical stuff going on, I'll say that much.

Oooo, is this where we get to list off how much media we've consumed in an effort to see which of us is the superior nerd? Hard pass.


If you think it was that bad, for you, then fine by me. I will argue that objectively, there are worse.
 


All in all, I think the pace of things since they show moved past where the books are has been a bit too fast. But I think maybe they're taking the lesson of the books to heart....that a story can take on a life of its own and get away from you, and then you can struggle to finish. The last two seasons have felt a little like bullet points, in some ways.

I think maybe a few more episodes worth of shows to help expand and elaborate on some of the plot points would have been good. But I get it....there are schedules, and other commitments and so on. I mean, that's a big difference from a novel to a show.....a novel can have a cast of millions and none of their schedules matter.

There are a couple of things that I wish had played out a little differently, or that they had more time to add to them...but overall, I think it's been very good. And I really don't think that the Dany turn is that surprising. Every single time she's been faced with opposition, her answer is to burn people alive. It's just that we've witnessed her journey so closely and the fact that most of her victims have been awful people that we've rooted for her.

But if you go back and look at things, this is what she's been saying she'll do all along. "We'll board the ships, and cross the poison water, and tear down their houses of stone, and burn them all."

My only surprise at the turn at this point is that they decided to actually go through with it.
 



Oooo, is this where we get to list off how much media we've consumed in an effort to see which of us is the superior nerd? Hard pass.


If you think it was that bad, for you, then fine by me. I will argue that objectively, there are worse.
And I will argue objectively that you are wrong.
 

I mean, it's not great, and it certainly isn't (IMO) the best it's been, but I don't get some of the hate.

Well, actually, I do.

I think that so many people are so very very invested in the show, that any ending would disappoint- after all, the ending on the screen cannot possibly compete with the possibilities people have imagined.

(Yes, I think that there have been flaws this season and last season- from travel times, to pacing, to issues w/r/t characters, but that, for example, this past episode was actually quite good.... it's just unfortunate that the prior episode wasn't very good, and that certain inconsistencies, such as the scorpion/dragon thing, are now pronounced)

Its been far from perfect yes. But I enjoyed it because I enjoy media in a very focused way. Its probably similar to the way I enjoy my gaming.

In fact, I would say that the issues that I've seen being put forth by hoards of people on Reddit and by personal nerd friends have great parallel to TTRPG incredulity and disdain. Unsurprisingly, on these boards at least, I'm often on the opposite end of the discussion of the masses.

I think the investment you speak of is a big one. I think the problem with people applying heuristics as their litmus test for scene plausibility and internal consistency is another one. I also think there are arbitrary applications of expectations applied to this media that, if applied historically to other beloved media then those other historical pieces should suffer similar slings and arrows.

Does that sound familiar?

If that isn't "the TTRPG problem" or even "the D&D edition war problem", I don't know what is?

I'm a guy who has utterly loathed some of Game of Thrones and utterly adored other parts and have felt fairly muted on other parts. I'm a guy who thought The Force Awakens was a fantastic movie on its own while also being a beautifully rendered Star Wars movie. I'm also a guy who thought The Last Jedi was not only a terrible, incoherent Star Wars movie, but one, if not the worst, plain movies I've seen all time (especially given the stakes). My guess is that there is a lot of overlap with TLJ incredulity/disdain and this last season of Thrones. Interestingly, I'm not on board that train.
 

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