Githyanki and ECL

[EverSoar]

Okay,

I'm going to play a githyanki, but i'm taking out the psionic abilities, and leaving in the PR. But taking it as ECL +1

Ok, so you get the hit points for githyanki, the skills, and the feat, then when you take a class level(making me lvl 2 equivalent) you get that classes skills, but you only get a feat when a character is created, and every third lvl after that right?

And what are the class skills for the monster?

And what is FRCS?

 

[Mark Chance]

My thoughts...

Ok, so you get the hit points for githyanki, the skills, and the feat, then when you take a class level(making me lvl 2 equivalent) you get that classes skills, but you only get a feat when a character is created, and every third lvl after that right?

I wouldn't give you the HP, skills, and feat from the stat block. Although the text doesn't mention it, I'm willing to bet the githyanki stat block is based on a single level of psychic warrior. The BAB, skill points, and psionic attack/defense modes match a 1st-level psychic warrior (but the saves don't, but I'd be willing to bet this is a mistake due to lousy editing).

But, going your route and working it that the githyanki's monster stats are not derived from a class (like those of a goblin, for example), then, yes, you are correct.

 

[0-hr]

And what is FRCS?

Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting IIRC.

 

[Dr_Rictus]

Re: My thoughts...

Although the text doesn't mention it, I'm willing to bet the githyanki stat block is based on a single level of psychic warrior.

I'll take that bet, and I think you'll find it's a 1 HD outsider without a character class.

 

[Caliber]

I am pretty sure you don't get the HD, skills, OR feat for taking Githyanki as a race. Just as with Gensai or Tieflings, you just treat yourself as a 1st level character for HD, Skills, and Feats. You just need more XP to level.

Remember, being a Githyanki provides you with +2 Dex and +2 Con, VERY nice stat bonuses, especially if you are an Archer type. And PR is VERY nice as well, even if you play with Psionics Are Different.

Compare those bonuses with a Gensai or a Tiefling. You'll find you are getting a pretty sweet deal honestly.

 

[radferth]

monster HD

When someone wants to play a monster in my campaign, I generally only use monster HD if the monster is 2HD or more. If the monster is one HD (or is 2HD and player asks very nicely), then I just treat it as regular character of that level (modified my ECL if necessary). Of course, it boils down to: Are Gith right for you? Ask you DM or pharmacist.

 

[Dr_Rictus]

Remember, being a Githyanki provides you with +2 Dex and +2 Con, VERY nice stat bonuses, especially if you are an Archer type. And PR is VERY nice as well, even if you play with Psionics Are Different.

Not to mention the racial psionic abilities. Even if you change them to 3/day instead of at will (recommended for PC monsters), that telekinesis is not to be sneezed at. I actually think they're far to cheap at +1 ECL, myself.

 

[Caliber]

I am pretty sure the +1 ECL is a house rule he is using (remember he said he was removing the psionic abilities from them.) Standard, I believe they are around +9, but thats straight from memory (ie. I could be completely and totally off here.)

And the standard rule is that if a creature only has 1 HD, then it uses its class to determine HD, Skills, and Feats. Only when it has 2+ HD, does it retain those after gaining classes.

 

[EverSoar]

Okay, cool i get ya.

Yeah my DM is allowing me to have githyanki without PR, and the psionic powers(raised by elves, and needed to be awakened to have the full psionic powers) without being a +1 ECL.

But if i take the PR, he says i'm gonna have to take the +1

I want to take Psionic warrior/Psion

But if i take the PR, i'll only have one level of psion, and be forced to take inertial armour(not that its bad).

Is PR really worth it? Or is one ECL worth the PR? should i get the other powers like once a day??

 

[Caliber]

PR is a HUGE benefit. Don't forget that not only do you get PR, but you get SR of an equal amount. This basicly gives your character an automatic chance to negate nearly any spell or power used against you. Off hand, I am unware if PR applies to Psionic combat, but if it does, that is even more power you have.

Even if an equal level caster has a 75% chance of successfully penetrating your resistance, you are still 25% more likely to completely avoid the effect than someone without any resistances.

And +2 Dex and +2 Con for a loss of only -2 Wis seems a bit over the top. Not enough for +1 ECL, but obviously superior to most PHB races. Just some things to think about.