Gold or Silver Standard?

[Wulf Ratbane]

Surely it needs to get a bit more than that to feed his wife and chidlins, though...

I could have said all sorts of things about skilled vs. unskilled labor, subsistence vs. economic prospects, the length of the work day, child labor, and so on, but I didn't want to clutter the simplicity of the core sentiment.

EDIT: I don't half wonder if the worst possible unskilled labor is "torch bearer for adventuring party."

 

[Irda Ranger]

EDIT: I don't half wonder if the worst possible unskilled labor is "torch bearer for adventuring party."

Speaking of which, 4E would benefit from some good hireling rules in the PHB (not in the DMG). When was the last time the PC's hired a half-dozen hireswords and some torchbearers? Where are the mules? What with the Warlord now passing out buffs left and right a second rank of Warrior archers would be a pretty nice benefit in the Heroic Tier.

 

[JDJblatherings]

Just as I don't like players looking at +1 swords and seeing gold pieces, I don't want them looking at +1 swords and seeing, "Magic item battery."

What if it is simply 'easier' to create a +2 sword from a +1 sword?

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

What if it is simply 'easier' to create a +2 sword from a +1 sword?

I'd rather there were easy ways to improve the +1 sword, than to cannibalize the +1 sword to make an entirely different +2 sword.

Semantics, maybe.

 

[jester47]

With about 90 chickens you can eat 1 a day and they will replace themselves.
Don't ask me how I know.

 

[GlassJaw]

EDIT: I don't half wonder if the worst possible unskilled labor is "torch bearer for adventuring party."

It's going to get worse for hired help in 4E without Summoning spells. "Check for trap dude" will quickly replace "torch bearer" as worst NPC job.

 

[Gundark]

Here is a place where D&D should emulate WoW IMHO. In WoW 20 gold is a lot of money that a lot of chracters just don't see until higher levels (Granted now that WoW has been around for awhile most players know how to make more money, my 2nd 70 has way more gold than my first 70).

It made more sense on the economy than chracters packing thousands of gold pieces.

 

[JDJblatherings]

I read somewhere that there is a 3 hour rule for simple labor. If a loaf of bread takes less then 3 hours to pay for yuo are doign okay, 3 hours work and you can get by, more then 3 hours work and you are going to suffer.

the thing is D&D PCs never much worry about buying a loaf of bread so it doesn't matter much if food costs 10gp a week or 2 sp a week.

I suppose in a plausible game economy a man/month of simple labour should cost at least 60 loaves of bread. 120 cp in 3e.

 

[HeinorNY]

I'll be happy with whatever rule that changes the game so my character doesn't need to walk around carrying 30,000 coins in his backpak anymore.

 

[frankthedm]

Ok, this list is a just a conversion of Gold prices to silver coins. No price changes, just the prices are listed as how many silver coins one pays to get the item. This list is for those who want to inflate gold's value like the one pound of silver = a gold peice idea.
[sblock=PHB items in silvers] "$"= Sells for full value [trade good]
Weapons
Axe, battle 100 sp 6 lb.
Axe, dwarven war 300 sp 8 lb.
Axe, great 200 sp 12 lb.
Axe, hand 60 sp 3 lb.
Axe, orc double 600 sp 15 lb.
Axe, throwing 80 sp 2 lb.
Bolas 50 sp 2 lb.
Bow, Arrows (20) 10 sp 3 lb.
Bow, composite long 1000 sp 3 lb.
Bow, composite short 750 sp 2 lb.
Bow, long 750 sp 3 lb.
Bow, short 300 sp 2 lb.
Chain, spiked 250 sp 10 lb.
Club — 3 lb.
Crosbow bolts, hand (5) 10 sp 1 lb.
Crossbow bolts (10) 10 sp 1 lb.
Crossbow, hand 1000 sp 2 lb.
Crossbow, heavy 500 sp 8 lb.
Crossbow, light 350 sp 4 lb.
Crossbow, repeating heavy 4000 sp 12 lb.
Crossbow, repeating light 2500 sp 6 lb.
Dagger 20 sp 1 lb.
Dagger, punching 20 sp 1 lb.
Dart 5 sp ½ lb.
Falchion 750 sp 8 lb.
Flail 80 sp 5 lb.
Flail, dire 900 sp 10 lb.
Flail, heavy 150 sp 10 lb.
Gauntlet 20 sp 1 lb.
Gauntlet, spiked 50 sp 1 lb.
Glaive 80 sp 10 lb.
Greatclub 50 sp 8 lb.
Guisarme 90 sp 12 lb.
Halberd 100 sp 12 lb.
Hammer, gnome hooked 200 sp 6 lb.
Hammer, light 10 sp 2 lb.
Hammer, War 120 sp 5 lb.
Javelin 10 sp 2 lb.
Kama 20 sp 2 lb.
Kukri 80 sp 2 lb.
Lance 100 sp 10 lb.
Longspear 50 sp 9 lb.
Mace, heavy 120 sp 8 lb.
Mace, light 50 sp 4 lb.
Morningstar 80 sp 6 lb.
Net 200 sp 6 lb.
Nunchaku 20 sp 2 lb.
Pick, heavy 80 sp 6 lb.
Pick, light 40 sp 3 lb.
Quarterstaff — 4 lb.
Ranseur 100 sp 12 lb.
Rapier 200 sp 2 lb.
Sai 10 sp 1 lb.
Sap 10 sp 2 lb.
Scimitar 150 sp 4 lb.
Scythe 180 sp 10 lb.
Shortspear 10 sp 3 lb.
Shuriken (5) 10 sp ½ lb.
Siangham 30 sp 1 lb.
Sickle 60 sp 2 lb.
Sling — 0 lb.
Sling Bullets (10) 1 sp 5 lb.
Spear 20 sp 6 lb.
Sword, bastard 350 sp 6 lb.
Sword, great 500 sp 8 lb.
Sword, Long 150 sp 4 lb.
Sword, short 100 sp 2 lb.
Sword, two-bladed 1000 sp 10 lb.
Trident 150 sp 4 lb.
Urgrosh, dwarven 500 sp 12 lb.
Whip 10 sp 2 lb.

Armor
Armor spikes +500 sp +10 lb.
Barding, Medium creature ×2 ×1
Barding, large creature ×4 ×2
Banded mail 2500 sp 35 lb.
Breastplate 2000 sp 30 lb.
Buckler 150 sp 5 lb.
Chain shirt 1000 sp 25 lb.
Chainmail 1500 sp 40 lb.
Full plate 1,5000 sp 50 lb.
Gauntlet, locked 80 sp +5 lb.
Half-plate 6000 sp 50 lb.
Hide armor 150 sp 25 lb.
Leather Armor 100 sp 15 lb.
Padded armor 50 sp 10 lb.
Scale mail 500 sp 30 lb.
Shield spikes +100 sp +5 lb.
Shield, heavy steel 200 sp 15 lb.
Shield, heavy wooden 70 sp 10 lb.
Shield, light steel 90 sp 6 lb.
Shield, light wooden 30 sp 5 lb.
Shield, tower 300 sp 45 lb.
Splint mail 2000 sp 45 lb.
Studded leather 250 sp 20 lb.

Gear
Backpack (empty) 20 sp 2 lb.
Acid (flask) 100 sp 1 lb.
Alchemist’s fire (flask) 200 sp 1 lb.
Alchemist’s lab 5000 sp 40 lb.
Ale, Gallon 2 sp 8 lb.
Ale, Mug of 4 cp 1 lb.
Animals
~Chicken $ 2 cp —
~Cow $ 100 sp —
~Dog, guard 250 sp —
~Dog, riding 1500 sp —
~Donkey or mule 80 sp —
~Goat $ 10 sp —
~Horse, heavy 2000 sp —
~Horse, heavy war 4000 sp —
~Horse, light war 1500 sp —
~Horse, light 750 sp —
~ox $ 150 sp —
~Pig $ 30 sp —
Antitoxin (vial) 500 sp —
Artisan’s tools 50 sp 5 lb.
Artisan’s tools, masterwork 550 sp 5 lb.
Ballista 500 gp —
Banquet (per person) 100 sp —
Barrel (empty) 20 sp 30 lb.
Basket (empty) 4 sp 1 lb.
Bedroll 1 sp 5 lb.
Bell 10 sp —
Bit and bridle 20 sp 1 lb.
Blanket, winter 5 sp 3 lb.
Block and tackle 50 sp 5 lb.
Bottle, wine, glass 20 sp —
Bread, per loaf 2 cp ½ lb.
Bucket (empty) 5 sp 2 lb.
Caltrops 10 sp 2 lb.
Candle 1 cp —
Canvas (sq. yd.) 1 sp 1 lb.
Carriage 1000 sp 600 lb.
Cart 150 sp 200 lb.
Case, map or scroll 10 sp ½ lb.
Castle 500,0000 sp —
Castle, Huge 1,000,0000 sp —
Catapult, heavy 800 gp —
Catapult, light 550 gp —
Chain (10 ft.) 300 sp 2 lb.
Chalk, 1 piece 1 cp —
Cheese, hunk of 1 sp ½ lb.
Chest (empty) 20 sp 25 lb.
Cinnamon $ 10 sp 1 lb.
Climber’s kit 800 sp 5 lb.
Cloths
~Artisan’s outfit 10 sp 4 lb.
~Cleric’s vestments 50 sp 6 lb.
~Cold weather outfit 80 sp 7 lb.
~Courtier’s outfit 300 sp 6 lb.
~Entertainer’s outfit 30 sp 4 lb.
~Explorer’s outfit 100 sp 8 lb.
~Monk’s outfit 50 sp 2 lb.
~Noble’s outfit 750 sp 10 lb.
~Peasant’s outfit 1 sp 2 lb.
~Royal outfit 2000 sp 15 lb.
~Scholar’s outfit 50 sp 6 lb.
~Traveler’s outfit 10 sp 5 lb.
Cloves $ 150 sp 1 lb.
Coach cab 3 cp per mile —
Crowbar 20 sp 5 lb.
Disguise kit 500 sp 8 lb.
Everburning torch 1100 sp 1 lb.
Feed [mount] (per day) 5 cp 10 lb.
Firewood (per day) 1 cp 20 lb.
Fishhook 1 sp —
Fishing net, 25 sq. ft. 40 sp 5 lb.
Flask (empty) 3 cp 1½ lb.
Flint and steel 10 sp —
Flour $ 2 cp 1 lb.
Galley 30,0000 sp —
Ginger $ 20 sp 1 lb.
Grappling hook 10 sp 4 lb.
Hammer 5 sp 2 lb.
Healer’s kit 500 sp 1 lb.
Hireling, trained 3 sp per day —
Hireling, untrained 1 sp per day —
Holly and mistletoe — —
Holy symbol, silver 250 sp 1 lb.
Holy symbol, wooden 10 sp —
Holy water (flask) 250 sp 1 lb.
Hourglass 250 sp 1 lb.
House, grand 5,0000 sp —
House, simple 1,0000 sp —
Ink (1 oz. vial) 80 sp —
Inkpen 1 sp —
Inn stay (per day) Common 5 sp —
Inn stay (per day) Good 20 sp —
Inn stay (per day) Poor 2 sp —
Iron $ 1 sp 1 lb.
Jug, clay 3 cp 9 lb.
Keelboat 3,0000 sp —
Keep 150,0000 sp —
Ladder, 10-foot 5 cp 20 lb.
Lamp, common 1 sp 1 lb.
Lantern, bullseye 120 sp 3 lb.
Lantern, hooded 70 sp 2 lb.
Linen, sq. yard $ 40 sp —
Lock (amazing) 1500 sp 1 lb.
Lock (average) 400 sp 1 lb.
Lock (good) 800 sp 1 lb.
Lock (very simple) 200 sp 1 lb.
Longship 10,0000 sp —
Magnifying glass 1000 sp —
Manacles 150 sp 2 lb.
Manacles, masterwork 500 sp 2 lb.
Mansion 100,0000 sp —
Meals (per day) Good 5 sp —
Meals (per day) Common 3 sp —
Meals (per day) Poor 1 sp —
Meat, chunk of 3 sp ½ lb.
Messenger 2 cp per mile —
Mirror, small steel 100 sp ½ lb.
Moat with bridge 50,0000 sp —
Mug/Tankard, clay 2 cp 1 lb.
Musical instrument, common 50 sp 3 lb.
Musical instrument, masterwork 1000 sp 3 lb.
Oar 20 sp 10 lb.
Oil (1-pint flask) 1 sp 1 lb.
Paper (sheet) 4 sp —
Parchment (sheet) 2 sp —
Pepper $ 20 sp 1 lb.
Pick, miner’s 30 sp 10 lb.
Pitcher, clay 2 cp 5 lb.
Piton 1 sp ½ lb.
Pole, 10-foot 2 sp 8 lb.
Pot, iron 5 sp 10 lb.
Pouch, belt (empty) 10 sp ½ lb.
Ram, portable 100 sp 20 lb.
Ram, siege 1,000 gp —
Rations, trail (per day) 5 sp 1 lb.
Road or gate toll 1 cp —
Rope, hempen (50 ft.) 10 sp 10 lb.
Rope, silk (50 ft.) 100 sp 5 lb.
Rowboat 500 sp 100 lb.
Sack (empty) 1 sp ½ lb.
Saddle, Exotic Military 600 sp 40 lb.
Saddle, Exotic Pack 150 sp 20 lb.
Saddle, Exotic Riding 300 sp 30 lb.
Saddle, military 200 sp 30 lb.
Saddle, pack 50 sp 15 lb.
Saddle, riding 100 sp 25 lb.
Saddlebags 40 sp 8 lb.
Saffron $ 150 sp 1 lb.
Sailing ship 10,0000 sp —
Salt $ 50 sp 1 lb.
Scale, merchant’s 20 sp 1 lb.
Sealing wax 10 sp 1 lb.
Sewing needle 5 sp —
Ship’s passage 1 sp per mile —
Siege tower 2,000 gp —
Signal whistle 8 sp —
Signet ring 50 sp —
Silk sq. yard $ 100 sp —
Sled 200 sp 300 lb.
Sledge 10 sp 10 lb.
Smokestick 200 sp ½ lb.
Soap (per lb.) 5 sp 1 lb.
Spade or shovel 20 sp 8 lb.
Spell component pouch 50 sp 2 lb.
Spellbook, wizard’s (blank) 150 sp 3 lb.
Spyglass 1,0000 sp 1 lb.
Stabling (per day) 5 sp —
Sunrod 20 sp 1 lb.
Tanglefoot bag 500 sp 4 lb.
Tent 100 sp 20 lb.
Thieves’ tools 300 sp 1 lb.
Thieves’ tools, masterwork 1000 sp 2 lb.
Thunderstone 300 sp 1 lb.
Tindertwig 10 sp —
Tobacco $ 5 sp 1 lb.
Tool, masterwork 500 sp 1 lb.
Torch 1 cp 1 lb.
Tower 50,0000 sp —
Vial, ink or potion 10 sp 1/10 lb.
Wagon 350 sp 400 lb.
Warship 25,0000 sp —
Water clock 1,0000 sp 200 lb.
Waterskin 10 sp 4 lb.
Wheat $ 1 cp 1 lb.
Whetstone 2 cp 1 lb.
Wine, Common (pitcher) 2 sp 6 lb.
Wine, Fine (bottle) 100 sp 1½ lb.[/sblock]