DocMoriartty said:
Yes I have and when I do I understand the special requirements that they entail.
There are several things you failed to do from day 1.
First you never made any agreements with the party about what would be done as a group is an evil magic item was found. If you had and the Aasimar was still acting this way then you would have the rest of the party on your side and it the Aasimar would be breaking his word to the party.
Second you made no arrangements as a party to determine how magic items were to be passed out among the party. It appears that you are basically going with finder keepers. That does not work when you have one or more LGs in the party that are going to be looking over everyone's shoulder and trying to tell them what to do.
Perhaps I didn't make it clear earlier but this is the first adventure the party has gone on and even at that they are not by a long shot a cohesive party - they are working together because two of the members have friends that disappeared down the hole.
Does this sound realistic?
Paladin: "Well met. I am going in search of my missing friend."
Aasimar: "Well met. I am going in search of my missing friend."
Paladin: "Then let us pool our strength. First we need to discuss how we're going to divide up the treasure and magical items we find..."
The last time I ran a Paladin I made a very simple arrangement with the party. I always would chose LAST for any magic items found. The only exception was that I was to get any and all magic items found that radiated evil. These I would then either destroy, cleanse, or turn over to the church to be dealt with properly.
My party found my approach very workable and even though I always got last dibs on items found they made sure I got the items that best fit my character so I could fight my crusade against evil.
Sounds great. Should the party last I'll consider doing the same.
So your problem is simple. You don't appear to have a treasure agreement in the party. So either the item belongs to the Aasimar as finder of it or it goes to party vote. If I were you I would push for a party vote on what to do with all treasure found and go down the list one by one. When you get to the whistle you should step forward and make your case. If you do it properly the rest of the party should side with you against the Aasimar and the pressure of his fellows against him should force him to give the whistle to you.
Well, duh of course we don't yet have a treasure division agreement in place - we've been a little more concerned with finding our lost friends to concern ourselves with it. As I said, if the party lasts I'm sure some sort of agreement should go in place.
The problem is that I don't think the paladin would be willing to place the fate of the whistle in the hands of chance or a party vote. He has a higher authority to answer to than the party's sensibilities.
If on the other hand you just wait for the right moment and then swipe the item then you are stealing and the Aasimar has every right to kick your ass.
Absolutely. It would be at the least chaotic and likely also evil, IMO.
Remember he only has your word that the item is evil. Since you are a young party his character does not really know you well enough to know if you can really be taken for your word. At this point he could easily argue that you are lying for your own benefit and only want the item for yourself.
True but he does know the paladin is a paladin of Kelemvor. He knows what paladins are and knows that Kelemvor is the lord of the dead.
The paladin swore an oath in Kelemvor's name that that paladin did detect evil on the whistle.
I thought it was legendary that a paladin's word was his bond?
People need to remember that being a Paladin does not automatically make you or what you do right. Too many times people play Lawful Good Paladins as Lawful Dumb and just taking the whistle by force is Lawful Dumb.
I agree which is why the paladin didn't attack the aasimar. It's also why the paladin detects evil regularly - it's very easy to start the slippery slope.
BTW, running to your church so THEY can take the whistle is no better that is just Lawful Dumb en mass and shows the Aasimar that you are not really a friend of his and he cannot trust you to cover his back.
So instead it's better for the paladin to know that the aasimar is not really a friend of his and that he can't trust the aasimar to cover the paladin's back? Oh, and while he's at it, it's better for the paladin to turn his back on his code, his vows, the edicts of his god, his personal sense of right and wrong.
