Ha! I am invincable, Prove me wrong!

[Valicor]

thxs guys needless to say after gettign the Dm to read the thread, he finally got it in his head that it would be a bad idea to let that character go, plus the player gave up on it. thxs again

also right it would be just freaky seeing a gold dragon *shutters* with a troll.
as a joke when the DM said give me a history, the other player said on the sspot that a sorcerer kidnapped a half dragon, and polymorphed it. was worth agood laugh.

 

[Christian]

He's really, really tough -- especially if you put a Pixie with an AM Field in his backpack and throw some adamantine armor on him --but he's far from invincible.

For heaven's sake, Forrester, don't go giving the munchkins ideas! Yikes!

 

[HeavyG]

Note that the new ECLs for trolls is +11 (see the recent Dragon mag), and I wouldn't be surprised if half-dragons are now +4.

And now we see why.

But hey, even assuming that the DMG/MM is being followed, this guy is hardly invincible (even with his -- eek -- +10 natural AC bonus).

He's got fewer hp than most 12th level fighters, he's got a lousy Will save, and if he gets knocked to -10hp, he's down for at LEAST three rounds. Meaning that his opponents can fight the rest of the party, taking one hit every three rounds to stick a dagger in Trolly's head and put him at -10 again.

Sure, he's not invisible, but compared to an 11th level fighter-type (he's 11th, right ? not 12th ?), he's much too powerful.

Hit points wise, let's compare him to a 11th level human fighter with a 16 con.

Human fighter : 10+10d10+33 hit points (average 98)
Half-dragon troll : 10+5d10+60 hit points (average 97.5 hit points)

And he's got a +11 natural armor bonus, and a +4 to dex, but he has a -1 to AC due to size, making his AC 12 points higher than the human fighter.

And he receives subdual damage from anything but acid.

It may not be invincible (there's still drowning, death effects, acid and stat drain/damage after all), but he's a hell of a lot tougher than a human fighter, that's for sure.

He's really, really tough -- especially if you put a Pixie with an AM Field in his backpack and throw some adamantine armor on him --but he's far from invincible.

Not that far. And that's just a sick idea.

Probably tougher, overall, than most 12th level fighters, though. Especially the way the DM is letting him custom-buy his magic items. He's probably letting him take full gold for an 12th level character, too, which is unfair.

Of course, if he played a standard Half-dragon troll monster straight from the MM with 15 point-buy and no real treasure, the 11 ECL might be fair.

 

[HeavyG]

thxs guys needless to say after gettign the Dm to read the thread, he finally got it in his head that it would be a bad idea to let that character go, plus the player gave up on it. thxs again

Thank god.

 

[Cedric]

No offense to anyone...but if anyone in one of my groups asked me to do that...and was serious. I'd kick him out of the group...

Cedric

 

[Al]

Easy.

Step 1: Hold Person

Step 2: Cut appendages (legs, arms etc.) off. They won't grow back for a while.

Step 3: Get large vat of acid. Insert half-dragon troll.

That should sort him out.

 

[CRGreathouse]

Let's compare the character (as a first-level fighter) to other characters of his level.

If the DMG level equivilents are used, he's effectively level 12; FRCS/Dragon/pre-T&C rules put him at ECL 17.

Let's assume a base Str of 18, Dex 12, and Con 16.

HD 6d10+1d12+70
hp 114
AC 5-8 above a comparable fighter
SQ regeneration, fire immunity, etc.
SV compared to Ftr12: Fort +4, Will -3; compared to Ftr17: Fort +2, Ref -1, Will -4.
Str 38, Dex 16, Con 30
Feats -7/-9 (ouch!)

He's more than a match for a human Ftr12 - more hit points (unless the fighter puts stat increases into Con), damage, attack bonus, reach, AC, etc. He's closer to the Ftr17, but I'd have to do more work to see how close they are - I suspect the human would be better off, unless the regeneration is more powerful than I suspected.

 

[Forrester]

HeavyG -- I once created a half(red)-dragon/troll with one level of fighter for a Smackdown type of battle; I wanted to see if I could create a CR12+CR8 encounter that would beat the pants off of a group of five powergamed min-maxed CR12 guys.

It worked . "Barney" the half-dragon troll Fight1 had a pixie/Wiz1 with a scroll of AM Field that he carried around in his backpack, and a 7th level cleric buddy with the Magic sphere who had some scrolls of Solid Fog.

Can you say "Instant Death"? I knew you could.

Barney was a 32-point buy character with a 13Int, 12Dex, and 36Str. His claw/claw/Rend damage averaged about 60pts, as I recall. And in the AM Field, he was pretty much auto-hitting. And NOTHING was touching him; he had a non-magical AC of 32, 37 if he used Expertise. Try hitting that as a 12th level character with NO magic.

His only problem was catching the party, but the Solid Fog (no save, no SR) solved that problem quickly. He'd get close, swing, Snatch (dragon feat), and win the grapple check (duh). Next round, he'd let go as a free action, claw, claw, bite, rend, and then use one of the claws to Snatch once again.

Basically, he was doing about 75pts of damage/round, automatically, and he was almost impossible to hit -- hell, he was just about impossible to get away from.

Ahhhh. That was a fun . . . and quick . . . combat. I think they managed to do six points of damage to him.

However, when I bought Barney's stuff, I didn't give him gold for a 12th level character. I basically gave him the amount of gold it would take to get from 10th level to 12th level (30k or so).

Anyway, I know just how cheaty this proposed character was. But take away the AM Field and the Solid Fogs, and you've got a character that's a bit easier to handle -- through spells requiring Will saves, and just pure beatdown. If you can find something willing to risk the claw/claw/rend every round . . .

One other thing -- making him a Red Dragon instead of Gold would solve the weirdness problem (though then there might be an alignment problem).

 

[Forrester]

Just out of curiousity, why in the hell have three or four people suggested "Hold Person" as the way to deal with this thing?

Half-Dragon Troll, people. Do the f'ing math. Hold Person?

HOLD PERSON??

Damn public school system.

 

[Omegium]

Set him up against a Half celestial pyro lernian hydra. Now, that's invincible against everything except death magic