Has anyone got any flak for buildung a character that wasnt optimized?

[Bill Zebub]

It seems to me that smart play requires paying attention to the character sheet and so can't really be said to be mo0re important than it.

To clarify, I was using "character sheet" as shorthand for how optimized (or not) the character is. Meaning that a badly unoptimized character played well is (or can be) more effective than a highly optimized character played poorly.

 

[Bill Zebub]

I’m not sure how that applies to me & my whackadoodle PCs.

Same answer as above.

EDIT: I wonder if there's an effect at play here where a forum response is assumed to be a refutation, unless it's very clearly indicated otherwise. So any ambiguity will tend to be interpreted as argument, not agreement.

 

[nevin]

Sure I've had people get upset that I didn't build my character the way they thought was optimal, I either ignore those individuals or find other groups if it's that pervasive. I will say Pathfinder players seem to the worst about it. Maybe it's just bad luck on my part but I seem to consistently find those people who try to tell you how to have fun in pathfinder games. I don't see it in D&D games as much.

 

[John R Davis]

Sure I've had people get upset that I didn't build my character the way they thought was optimal, I either ignore those individuals or find other groups if it's that pervasive. I will say Pathfinder players seem to the worst about it. Maybe it's just bad luck on my part but I seem to consistently find those people who try to tell you how to have fun in pathfinder games. I don't see it in D&D games as much.

Crikey yeah. In PF1 it's hard to be suboptimal; in PF2 it's a criminal offence

 

[billd91]

Crikey yeah. In PF1 it's hard to be suboptimal; in PF2 it's a criminal offence

There are time I think that by adopting a set of rules mellower on the optimization issues than the 3e family (including PF), 5e attracted a mellower audience.

 

[Bill Zebub]

Crikey yeah. In PF1 it's hard to be suboptimal; in PF2 it's a criminal offence

I wonder if it's because with the transition to D&D 5e and PF2, the people who like crunchy games and optimization self-selected for PF.

P.S. @billd91 is a NINJA

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Same answer as above.

EDIT: I wonder if there's an effect at play here where a forum response is assumed to be a refutation, unless it's very clearly indicated otherwise. So any ambiguity will tend to be interpreted as argument, not agreement.

Didn’t think it was a refutation- your meaning just…wasn’t clear.

 

[Bill Zebub]

Didn’t think it was a refutation- your meaning just…wasn’t clear.

That's one of my core competencies, apparently.

 

[billd91]

.P.S. @billd91 is a NINJA

Perhaps not ironically, Ninja was my primary superhero character in Villains and Vigilantes.

 

[John R Davis]

I wonder if it's because with the transition to D&D 5e and PF2, the people who like crunchy games and optimization self-selected for PF.

Yeah I have transitioned to 5e but still play some PF. A lot of those guys seem to enjoy the insane amount of options in PF and see blatant OP stuff as a feature, and not poor playtesting. I guess that's a separate thread!