Help me lose weight

[Harmon]

Show me any scientific evidence performed by an objective research group using established scientific methods that shows that magnets (such as writstbands, etc) can relieve *any* kind of pain. I'll settle for just one scientific journal. If you find me one, I'll start wearing a magnetic bracelet tomorrow.

You mean journals that are written in part by MDs?

I can see by your tone that you would not be willing to even consider that alternate methods of medicine can work. Keep in mind that Chinese herbal medicine has been around for several thoudand years longer then modern medicine. Diseases like MS, ALS, cancer and so many others are less prevalent in countries that do not use modern medicine.

Using magnets to relieve pain is something that you must experience, as pain is something of individual perception. Magnets have been used for hundreds of years longer then modern medicine.

Modern medicine could do nothing for me (excluding removal of my arm- which was suggested and considered), it could do not a thing for my Father, and told a close friend of the family that "you have six months to live, and there is no hope," (something like ten years ago). Should you decide to investigate that which modern science puts off as hockus pockus then you will find that things like cancer, pain and such can be beaten.

Please do keep in mind that if I have a broken bone I would prefer modern medical practice (interesting phrase there- practice) set the bone for me, however I will manage pain and such myself. Antibotics have become a necassary because of the strength of the modern bugs that we must combat in our own bodies- so I use them, however only for the most powerful of infections and illness.

My perception of you, Die was one of limit, and I hope that I am wrong about you. You have nothing to contribute when you refuse to open your mind to possiblities.

 

[Harmon]

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[der_kluge]

I know it sounds ludicrious.

There we agree.

I thought it was new-age crap as well. Then I tryed it. Near as I can tell, our bodies simply are not very good at handling the massive amount of crap that we are exposed it on a daily basis.

There you go using scientific words like "crap" again. And, near as I can tell, our bodies do a fine job of handling this. Given the levels of "crap" that our bodies are exposed to on a daily basis, it's a damned wonder people don't fall over dead every day!

How about how you feel? the changes I've made to myself have changed how I feel, how I look, how I act, and my beliefs about -- at least -- diet. You know I don't have journal evidence, but is what I'm saying so dangerous as to require you to not be able to experiment with it? Are you so focused upon the current scientific community that you cannot do a little experimentation yourself?

I feel fine. And I've no desire to experiment myself. I don't have a reason to do so. I'm not in the medical field. And even if I were I'd have no reason to believe that drinking lemon water every day would have any other benefit other than to reduce my chances of getting scurvy, or possibly causing my teeth to decay slightly faster than they otherwise would.

I want to deal with the first part first. Its got problems. Here's how this works. If you ingest more sugar than your body needs (especially if it is a simple sugar), then it very rapidly is put into the blood stream. You're blood sugar goes up way high. As it is now much to high, the pancreas lowers it. Right, so far as it goes.

However, the pancreas lowers the blood sugar down to lower levels than it was at before. Because having slightly lowered blood sugar levels is OK (even if it doesn't feel good), and it is attempting to make us not *die* from the huge amounts of blood sugar.

You know, that's a lot of stuff you've just said there. Care to back any of that up with some proof? Where are you getting that the pancreas lowers the blood sugar down to a lower level than before it started? And who are you to question the machinations of the pancreas? My wife has diabetes, and while her blood sugar can fluctuate, mine never really does. It's the beauty of the pancreas. It can handle all the sugar I can throw at it. I don't know where you're getting your information from.

So then it goes back up as you drink more soda, and the process starts over. With your blood sugar going waaay up then way down. Mainly because it is to much sugar, and very simple ones at that.

Once again, this is just not true. The pancreas keeps our blood sugars at a constant level all the time. Unless you have diabetes, there just is no fluctuation.

I explained, you did not listen. Try it.

And prove what? That lemon juice tastes an awful lot like really bitter lemonade?

You're right -- the water doesn't dissolve it. If I said that, it was a poor choice of words. Instead, the water flowing through the body picks up the toxic crap and whisks it away to a magical land where it leaves your body.

There we go with poor science again. Water in the body has absolutely nothing to do with removing "toxic crap" from our bodies. Nothing.

Fruity enough? What I just said was: Water acts as a cleanser, and having more clean water going through the body means you have more fresh fluids to take away the crap.

*sigh* I blame our education system.

Analogy time -- When it rains, my car gets cleaner. When it rains more, more and more levels of dust get taken off. When it doesn't rain much -- or when the rain is dirty -- my car gets dirtier and dirtier.

I'm not even touching this one. Shemeska has already covered it.

I *always* talk about lemons. Lemons were the beginning of my life change. Sure, what I'm talking about right now is mostly water -- which is fantastic -- but the cornerstone of my fitness has been lemons.

I'll say it again: Buy 7 lemons, and take the juice thereof morning and night for a week. I felt different after this.

Hey, if your placebo affect works for you, who am I to stop you?

 

[Eolin]

And you refuse to try it. You will not learn, and refuse to listen. So this conversation is pointless.

Good Day, Sir.

Edit: My dad is a type 2 diabetic. I've talked with my doctor about the pancreas. Stop with the wrongness.

 

[Crothian]

Wow, this is like reading stuff by the Flat Earth Society.

 

[der_kluge]

I didn't use to like lemons either.

Sure, its a small sample size. But the *sort* of change is dramamtically differnet from what you normally feel. Leastwise, was for me.

Everyone I know who has tryed this now swears by it.

So, I'm curious. Where did you learn to do this? I mean, what prompted you to say that you wanted to have lemons in warm water twice daily. And what did you hope to achieve by doing this? And how many people have you gotten to do this?

As for specific chemicals ... Bah! The whole thing is pretty good for you (except the pesticides) -- Except for a matter of taste, there's not much reason *not* to do this.

Well, aside from it being rather ludicrous, I suppose not.

Use limes. But make sure you're getting about an ounce of juice a day. I mentioned this to my doctor, and hey looked at my like I'm a crazy person. There's something there that medical science hasn't pinpointed, and i don't really think its going to.

Yea, those doctors... what the hell do they know?

It cannot hurt you to try. But if you refuse to try it ... then you've refused.

I refuse.

 

[Torm]

Hey, if your placebo affect works for you, who am I to stop you?

Speaking of placebos, a laboratory recently released a study that I just flat cannot figure out. They took a number of test subjects in pain and gave them morphine daily for a set number of days. After that, they took part of them (leaving a control group, of course) and started giving them a nonreactive placebo instead, without telling them. Another period of time passes. Then, without telling them, they began giving a set number of subjects from both groups (leaving, once again, control groups for both sets) a chemical inhibitor that blocks the specific chemical receptors that allow morphine to work, mixed in to whatever they were getting before. The subjects from both groups given the inhibitor stopped experiencing any painkilling effect! The inhibitor blocked a placebo that theoretically only works through a psychological effect.... I don't get it.

No offense, but I think part of the problem in your and Shemeska's conversation with Eolin (and with me, earlier in the thread, for that matter - but I don't really care enough to get upset about it ) is the condescension. Assume for a moment (and I know you are ) that you are completely right in all of your assertions - in convincing others of this, you can still catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

 

[der_kluge]

You mean journals that are written in part by MDs?

I can see by your tone that you would not be willing to even consider that alternate methods of medicine can work. Keep in mind that Chinese herbal medicine has been around for several thoudand years longer then modern medicine. Diseases like MS, ALS, cancer and so many others are less prevalent in countries that do not use modern medicine.

Ok, first off, do you have any evidence to suggest that MS, ALS, cancer and other "diseases" are less prevalent in countries that do not use modern medicine? And let's suppose for a second that cancer, ALS, and MS *are* less prevalent in say, China. Would you then have proof to conclude that because they did not use modern medicine that that was the reason why those diseases were less prevalent? It could be that Asian genetics are less inclined to get those diseases, or any number of other factors that could go into such a number.

Using magnets to relieve pain is something that you must experience, as pain is something of individual perception. Magnets have been used for hundreds of years longer then modern medicine.

Yes, it's why it's called modern medicine. Funny that. And you're right. If you say a magnet has reduced your pain, then I can't prove that you're wrong. But neither can you prove that it's right. But common sense tells me otherwise. First off, our bodies are not magnetic, and if magnets do anything to us at all, it is non-measurable. Secondly, IF magnets had any significant effect on our bodies, don't you think that a powerful magnet would have a stronger effect? If that were the case, then those big magnetic cranes that they use to pick up garbage from destroyed buildings would totally screw people up when they turned that thing on. And lastly, the magnets in magnetic bracelets are so pathetically weak, the things won't even stick to a refrigerator. So there's barely even a magnet in there. Do you wear a magnetic bracelet? If you do, try this: does it stick to your refrigerator? If it doesn't, how can you be sure that it's powerful enough to affect your body in any way, shape, or form?

Modern medicine could do nothing for me (excluding removal of my arm- which was suggested and considered), it could do not a thing for my Father, and told a close friend of the family that "you have six months to live, and there is no hope," (something like ten years ago). Should you decide to investigate that which modern science puts off as hockus pockus then you will find that things like cancer, pain and such can be beaten.

If you have the solution, I'm sure the New England Journal of Medicine would love to publish it.

Please do keep in mind that if I have a broken bone I would prefer modern medical practice (interesting phrase there- practice) set the bone for me, however I will manage pain and such myself. Antibotics have become a necassary because of the strength of the modern bugs that we must combat in our own bodies- so I use them, however only for the most powerful of infections and illness.

Modern bugs? Care to expand on that? And you're right, antibiotics are overrated. Tell that to Louis Pasteur.

My perception of you, Die was one of limit, and I hope that I am wrong about you. You have nothing to contribute when you refuse to open your mind to possiblities.

I'm a skeptic. I challenge the status quo, and I don't believe everything I read. You should be glad people like me live in this world, otherwise we wouldn't have modern medicine.

 

[Torm]

Wow, this is like reading stuff by the Flat Earth Society.

Which part? Eolin seems to have the non-scientific-methods part nailed - while I'd have to say the arrogance and bullheadedness are being handled by other parties.

Oh, and if you want the nutty conspiracy theory part, try this on: There may be certain remedies for things - simple ones that anyone can do - that have been repressed by doctors and the pharmaceutical industry because there is no money in it for them....

 

[Eolin]

I'm a skeptic. I challenge the status quo, and I don't believe everything I read. You should be glad people like me live in this world, otherwise we wouldn't have modern medicine.

Challenge the Status Quo? That's exactly what you arn't doing. Instead, you're accepting the status quo against reasonable people who say that there are other alternatives.

And until you open your mind, nothing we say is going to make any difference. When did this thread stop being about weight loss?