High Level Fighter Vs. High Level Barbarian

[MerakSpielman]

Oh, and Ghengis can still take an action, correct? So it's not Mugly's turn again yet.

 

[DarkMaster]

Darkmaster: Perhaps. But they are 12th level, not 20th, and Mugly is a perfectly legal barbarian character. He wouldn't be entirely useless in Melee, so it's a character concept I could see a player possibly going for, if they were bored with the typical barbarian half-orc axe-wielder.

Ok but I still don't know any party who would be interested in having Mugly in their group at first level. Barbarian with STR 6, and 16 HP no fighting skill, almost no skills(since he has 10 Int), it can rage (bring his strengt to 10 wow, even the wizard is stronger than the raging barbarian, but wait he has now 18HP).

Making a barbarian with STR 6 is like having a wizard with INT10
If you want I can make a fighting wizard with Int 10 or even worse 9 that took feats in heavy armor and martial weapon.

That is perfectly legal but would that represent well the wizard in a fighter/wizard contest?

 

[DarkMaster]

OK, I'm reading the description of the Scent ability in the SRD.
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It seems to be assuming that the creature using scent is first moving to within 30' of a concealed/invisible target, then using a move equivelent action to determine the direction of the target, then moving towards the target, then automatically knowing when the target gets within 5 feet. It doesn't say what to do if the creature with Scent moves to within 5 feet of the target without first having noticed that there is a creature within 30' or used a move-equivelent action to determine its direction.

OFFICIAL DM RULING FOR THIS SITUATION:
For the sake of argument, I'll say that Khan realizes that this is a hostile situation and that Mugly is an enemy. Though the horse is effectively unable to communicate the exact location of Mugly, it can attack the space itself (and then Ghengis will know).

I will allow Khan to pinpoint the location of Mugly if he's within 5' without having taken a move-equivelent action to determine direction, but I will not allow him to communicate this information to Ghengis without an attack (or some other sort of standard action to indicate body-language communication).

Oups I should read before opening my big mouth

 

[Endur]

After Khan stops, Ghengis puts four arrows in the 5' square that he believes the gnome is in based on the horse's reaction.

Ghengis has a +25 to his ride skill check, so he should be able to read his horse's reactions.

If he's wrong, then he's wrong. Even if he correctly reads the situation he still might miss because of AC or concealment.

Oh, and Ghengis can still take an action, correct? So it's not Mugly's turn again yet.

 

[Lamoni]

Ok but I still don't know any party who would be interested in having Mugly in their group at first level. Barbarian with STR 6, and 16 HP no fighting skill, almost no skills(since he has 10 Int), it can rage (bring his strengt to 10 wow, even the wizard is stronger than the raging barbarian, but wait he has now 18HP).

I agree. However, the stats on the barbarian aren't supposed to be known to the fighter (the fighter may use different tactics knowing the barbarian has such a small strength - and therefore most likely not melee oriented)

Also, while this fight doesn't prove anything, it sounds fun and is quite entertaining (at least to me). Actually it does help to prove that if you build a character for one thing, it can usually do that one thing rather well. Then you can just rely on the rest of the party to take over in every other situation. (assuming you normally adventure with a party)

 

[Endur]

I think that is the real difference between the Fighter and the Barbarian.

The Barbarian is sort of a generalist and the Fighter is more of a specialist.

Actually it does help to prove that if you build a character for one thing, it can usually do that one thing rather well. Then you can just rely on the rest of the party to take over in every other situation. (assuming you normally adventure with a party)

 

[The Freak]

Was there something I missed, or does Endur have a way to figure out my stats without Darkmaster posting them. I would appriciate that if you are going to post my stats, you at least post my opponite's as well.

Any way

I will allow Khan to pinpoint the location of Mugly if he's within 5' without having taken a move-equivelent action to determine direction, but I will not allow him to communicate this information to Ghengis without an attack (or some other sort of standard action to indicate body-language communication).

This is the DM's ruling, and this means that Ghengis doesn't know where Mugly is. Period. (unless you have a means of detecting invisablity).

I'd also like to point out that unless Khan can move 100' in one move, it seems highly unlikely that the horse can do anything but move, sniff, and find my position.

 

[DarkMaster]

Was there something I missed, or does Endur have a way to figure out my stats without Darkmaster posting them. I would appriciate that if you are going to post my stats, you at least post my opponite's as well.

Any way



This is the DM's ruling, and this means that Ghengis doesn't know where Mugly is. Period. (unless you have a means of detecting invisablity).

I'd also like to point out that unless Khan can move 100' in one move, it seems highly unlikely that the horse can do anything but move, sniff, and find my position.

Sorry, I am a newbie in this messageboard didn't know that when you have to select the text to see it, it was secret.

Really sorry, I still hope that your Barbarian will get crushed , otherwise there is something broken in D&D.

 

[Endur]

normal move for Khan is 65'.

I'd also like to point out that unless Khan can move 100' in one move, it seems highly unlikely that the horse can do anything but move, sniff, and find my position.

 

[Endur]

I'm rooting for his barbarian. My warrior is going to taunt and insult his invisible gnome, but that is IC stuff. OOC I'm very interested to see how his barbarian can deal with an archer.

Archery is very dangerous in D&D (probably too dangerous).