How do you present the game in public?


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We are really talking about two different things here. 1.) How do you present gaming when discussing it with non gamers, and 2.) Are you mindful of what you are discussing when talking to fellow gamers in public places. The first one is pretty easy to answer, but the second one (for me) is a 'shades of gray' sort of situation.

1.) When discussing gaming with others I do my best to portray it as an activity that fosters relationship building, problem solving, basic mathematics and reading comprehension; as well as an inspiration for creativity in a number of ways (I know people who write, draw/paint, write computer programs, and so forth due to their interest in gaming).

After I establish all of that I tailor additional information to the person I'm talking to. I never discuss dark or 'fringe' subjects with non-gamers. I'm not hiding anything. I'm not a dark gamer. Vampire and Werewolf were about as dark as I got, and even in those games I reserved the darker aspects for the antagonists. Quite frankly if I'm talking to someone who is going to get turned on by talks of demonic pacts or the slaughtering of innocents, I keep the conversation casual. I don't likely want to game with that person anyway...

2.) Sometimes your talking with fellow gamers and you get so caught up that you forget where you are and who is around you. I've been given dirty looks, handed religous fliers in resturaunts, and even had a teacher separate a group of us during lunchtime at school so we couldn't discuss gaming (a situation that was cleared up quickly through one of the other teachers who happened to be a gamer as well). I try my best not to discuss subjects that will disturb or overly annoy people around me... but sometimes you get caught up and forget yourself. In those cases you apologize to offended parties, or (if you feel up to it) try to explain what it is that your talking about.

I personally love a good debate, and the 'religion -vs- role playing' one is one of my favorites (I've gotten a lot of practice over the years when dealing with my very religous, and very sincere and caring (although horribly misinformed), mother and her attempts to save me from myself). So I'll welcome that discussion more often than I'll try to avoid it.
 

Aristotle...like you, I try to explain the game as a positive way to spend time. It encourages teamwork, imagination and creativity, fosters an interest in history and literature, as well as keeping basic math skills honed (believe me, you'd be surprised how many folks need that). But on the other hand, this argument holds little sway around here, and while there's a pretty vibrant, if small, gaming community in my area, life is too short to spend it beating dead horses. It's just easier to avoid the same old tired debates.
 

dungeonmastercal said:
But on the other hand, this argument holds little sway around here, and while there's a pretty vibrant, if small, gaming community in my area, life is too short to spend it beating dead horses. It's just easier to avoid the same old tired debates.

I agree, and were I in a similar situation/area I'd likely hold to the same practice as you. Such debate rarely actually changes anything, and in that area its more likely your oppositon would be seen as a sign of the rebelious and deviant nature of gaming; rather than your sincere desire to shed a little light on a simple hobby.

So sad...
 

dungeonmastercal said:
I live in a large town by Arkansas standards (about 44,000 people), but I'm still stunned at some of the things that we get for news. Here's the article about "Gateway Games".
http://www.thecabin.net/stories/061004/loc_0610040007.shtml

I'm not sure if my reaction first was "quaint", "sad", "are there still people this ill-informed in the world", or general hilarity.

dungeonmastercal, I wish you very good luck as a representative of rpgs in the face of such silliness.
 

Aristotle said:
We are really talking about two different things here. 1.) How do you present gaming when discussing it with non gamers, and 2.) Are you mindful of what you are discussing when talking to fellow gamers in public places.

Yes, the second was more my intended thrust of the thread. Posting after a 10 hour day at work isn't always conducive to clarity.

dungeonmastercal said:
(a recent article in our local paper actually had some "known authority" telling how Pokemon and other games were gateways to joining gangs!!!!).

My brother was in our FLGS recently when one of the owners was dealing with a shoplifter. Apparently he had stolen quite a bit of Warhammer stuff. My brother said he looked like a gang member. Who knew they were into Warhammer?
 

Glyfair said:
My brother was in our FLGS recently when one of the owners was dealing with a shoplifter. Apparently he had stolen quite a bit of Warhammer stuff. My brother said he looked like a gang member. Who knew they were into Warhammer?

One question...what does your brother know about gang members? Was he covered in tattoos or something?

Another person in the thread commented that something similiar happened to him, and he got hit with a nightstick when he went for his dice in his coat while being questioned by the officer. (I probably have mangled this story someone, but the basic idea remains).

Damn lucky to be alive, IMO. A bit farther away and the cop probably would have shot him. But thats another thread.
 

I make it pretty clear that I am a gamer... wearing my nerdy shirts and Crystal Caste d20 necklace whenever possible... so, I totally stand out to any other gamers I may encounter...

But, unless someone says "what are your hobbies?" or "I see you have a d20 on your necklace!" or, in some other way, brings up the game-- I don't really do much to let it be known... but, it is pretty obvious most of the time...

I guess there are times, when I'm out to eat with my fellow players or something, that things sound pretty weird to those around us-- but, I don't tone it down... it's my hobby and if it seems weird, that can give me weird looks and glare at me over their iced teas... but, can't say that it's ever been an issue.
 

I've had to explain specific games to friends, but I can't think of a recent time when I had to explain the concept of gaming. When I have had to, though, say, to a relative, I use somewhat boring terms, "You start with a piece of paper that has the numeric values that represent your character's abilites. One person describes an imaginary situation, you reply as you think your character would, and you basically tell a story."

As for people overhearing, ever try discussing Shadowrun in public?!? :) I have a tendency to speak in first person when talking about my characters "I did such-and-such" instead of "Kira did such-and-such". With SR, this can get interesting; if you haven't played the game, you play the bad guys, or at least the neutral ones. Your adventures are things like assasinations, thefts, etc. So more then once I've caught myself talking about shooting someone or whatever and realized I had to change it to "my character shot someone". Last time we had a random security guard sitting in the restaurant booth next to us. Thankfully, I live in NJ, and most people mind their own business. :)
 

I guess things are really different in this regard, between the US and here in the UK.

Overhere, people don't bat an eyelid when you mention roleplaying and D&D, so I have no problem discussing such with non-gamers. How else are you going to get new blood in the hobby?

As for the game chat leading to police investigation, theres several urban legends of that floating around so I don't pay much attention to them. But then if you are talking about it in such a way as to make people really believe you were planning it, then you deserve everything you get.

My players and I discuss what happens in game wherever we are, whether pub, resturant or walking down the street. No one pays any interest.
 

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