D&D (2024) How to simply fix Ranger in 2024.

My fix will be this:
1st level; Leave as is. It's a perfectly fine feature at this level and frankly at this point Hunter's Mark needs concentration in order to prevent multi-classing shenanigans.

Either 5th, 7th, or 9th level: They get a new feature that allows them to cast Hunter's Mark without concentration. It's still early enough that players will actually get to use it, but late enough that multi-class optimizers won't label it as a "must have". Additionally, the true competition for a ranger's concentration slot doesn't actually start until 2nd and 3rd level spells anyway. I'm leaning towards 5th or 7th level.

13th lvl: Grant the advantage to all attacks to a marked target HERE from the 17th level feature with Hunter's mark.

I might also possibly Increase the hunter's mark damage to 1d8 here as well for better scaling towards 20th level. This is the real part where that feature would actually feel good and it's not as potent as people think. Remember at this point fighters are already having three attacks and paladins are adding a flat 1d8 to all of their attacks TWO levels earlier.

17th lvl: Increase Hunter's mark damage to 1d10 and give the Ranger one use of it back if they roll initiative.

20th lvl: The ranger can now cast Hunter's mark at will without expending a spell slot (how this isn't already the capstone is baffling to me). And let them target a second target when they cast a spell a number of times per day equal to their Wisdom modifier.
 

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ECMO3

Legend
Sure

My point was "But concentration" complaints were just people who want to concentrate on Conjure WB or Spike Growth to cheese.

You forgot a bunch including Summon Fey .... which is the focal point of the entire Fey Wanderer subclass!

There are 27 Ranger spells with concentration in 2024 DND, plus more holdovers from 5E and then subclass spells on top of that like Fear, Web and the aforementioned Summon Fey

One of my complaints is the Concentration on HM prevents you from using any of these spells while using it.



So most of those thematic combat spells that a ranger would concentrate on instead of Hunters mark that aren't cheesy or powerful on their own don't have concentration anymore.

TBH I've only played one 5E Ranger with Spike Growth and none with CWB (5E version). But I have played many with Ensnaring Strike, Engangle, Silence, Fog Cloud and Summon Fey. Those are the Concentration spells I like to cast when I play a Ranger.

Hunter's Mark - not so much.

So taking away concentration would be "better" as in less bad than having concentration, but the ability as it is written is still a problem even if it was concentration-free.
 

Minigiant

Legend
Supporter
You forgot a bunch including Summon Fey .... which is the focal point of the entire Fey Wanderer subclass!

There are 27 Ranger spells with concentration in 2024 DND, plus more holdovers from 5E and then subclass spells on top of that like Fear, Web and the aforementioned Summon Fey

One of my complaints is the Concentration on HM prevents you from using any of these spells while using it.





TBH I've only played one 5E Ranger with Spike Growth and none with CWB (5E version). But I have played many with Ensnaring Strike, Engangle, Silence, Fog Cloud and Summon Fey. Those are the Concentration spells I like to cast when I play a Ranger.

Hunter's Mark - not so much.

So taking away concentration would be "better" as in less bad than having concentration, but the ability as it is written is still a problem even if it was concentration-free.
Nah

Personally I don't think another should have access to summons or zones while significantly buffed unless it is favored in the base class.
 

mellored

Legend
Oh. Here we go.


Fey Wanderer
You can expend 1 use of Hunter's Mark to cast Misty Step.
You can expend 2 uses of Hunter's Mark to cast Conjure Fey. At level 10 you do not lose Concentration when taking damage. At level 17 Conjure Fey has advantage. At level 20, increase the die size of Conjure Fey to d10.
 

CreamCloud0

One day, I hope to actually play DnD.
what if they had just flat added 1d6 extra damage to all weapon attacks the ranger makes as a passive bonus, if the intent of HM was meant to supplement the ranger's DPR i don't know why they have to mess around making it a spell and the havok permanent concentration wreaks on doing anything with their magic.
 

Minigiant

Legend
Supporter
what if they had just flat added 1d6 extra damage to all weapon attacks the ranger makes as a passive bonus, if the intent of HM was meant to supplement the ranger's DPR i don't know why they have to mess around making it a spell and the havok permanent concentration wreaks on doing anything with their magic.
Again

Catering to Grognards is why it was made a spell.
Backwards compatibility is why it's still a spell.
 

The ranger being able to gain certain buffs while maintaining concentration would have been cool. Maybe hm benefits like the tracking and damage bonus are available while concentrating on any spell.
 

what if they had just flat added 1d6 extra damage to all weapon attacks the ranger makes as a passive bonus, if the intent of HM was meant to supplement the ranger's DPR i don't know why they have to mess around making it a spell and the havok permanent concentration wreaks on doing anything with their magic.ecause of the reason

what if they had just flat added 1d6 extra damage to all weapon attacks the ranger makes as a passive bonus, if the intent of HM was meant to supplement the ranger's DPR i don't know why they have to mess around making it a spell and the havok permanent concentration wreaks on doing anything with their magic.
They don't do it for the same reason they won't give ranger's concentration free Hunter's mark: at first level an extra free 1d6 is a hell of a splash temptation for people wanting to stack it with other l effects like Hex and divine favor. They don't want someone to be able to all of them at once too early.
 


g00se99994

Explorer
The Ranger class only exists because TRADITION. If you were designing from scratch, a wilderness guy background with fighter, rogue, barbarian or paladin (Aragorn) completely fulfills the role in 5e.

So it’s a class frantically trying to justify its existence with its rather silly hunters mark mechanic.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^. Ranger should be a subclass of Fighter.
 

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