How useful is Force of Personality?

[Agamon]

Okay, so this feat only gives you yor CHR bonus to Will saves vs mind-affecting spells. I'm trying to figure out how often one makes a Will save vs an effect that is not mind-affecting. What other than the following are generally Will saves and not mind-affecting?

*"Harmless" (beneficial) spells
*some Illusions
*Inflict spells

Would this feat really have been unbalanced to allow it to always sub in CHR for WIS for Will saves?

 

[DungeonMaester]

Its not very useful, unless you plan on a hig magic campaign where it would give a better save vrs all the mind controlers. Or if you are going up against a bard.

---Rusty

 

[Agamon]

My point, though, is that, from my point of view, most Will saves are versus mind-controlling abilities and spells. Am I wrong on that assumption?

 

[pawsplay]

Some death effects, I think.

 

[Agamon]

Aren't death effects Fort saves, in general?

 

[pawsplay]

Most of them, yes.

 

[Sejs]

Isn't the save to shed a negative level a will save?

 

[Agamon]

Isn't the save to shed a negative level a will save?

Nope, Fort.

 

[Victim]

Slow is a Will save.

Spells that have a disabling secondary effect like stun or daze often use a Will save without being mind-affecting like Radiant Assault or Electric Loop.

In general, I don't think the feat would be overpowered without the restriction, but it's nice to have the loophole so you can sneak something on pally types.

 

[Caliban]

Okay, so this feat only gives you yor CHR bonus to Will saves vs mind-affecting spells. I'm trying to figure out how often one makes a Will save vs an effect that is not mind-affecting. What other than the following are generally Will saves and not mind-affecting?

*"Harmless" (beneficial) spells
*some Illusions
*Inflict spells

Would this feat really have been unbalanced to allow it to always sub in CHR for WIS for Will saves?

A quick search throug the SRD:

Glitterdust
Slow
Banishment
Bestow Curse
Dismissal
Hallucinatory Terrain
Mage's Disjunction (Mordenkainen's)
Majic Jar
Misdirection
Mislead
Some effects of Prismatic Wall, Spary, or Sphere

I got bored after that point. I'm sure there are others in other sourcebooks. So they are out there.