angelababy
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this example is the exactly opposite of your first example as I think it. Someone is in frond of the huge monster.
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Huge size and AoO
- Thread starter radmod
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The same text exists in the Rules Compendium (pg 38 for cover and pg 81 for LoS). Since the Rules Compendium revised many, many of the existing rules it is extrememly likely that WotC looked at it and decided that it was accurate as written.
My question is how do you "pass through" a one dimensional line? The edge of the wall in question has no "width" so that you can't pass through it.
When laid out, the side facing the bowman is never passed through when attacking someone down the corridor. This is the difference between "passing through" and "merely touching".
Actually, it's far more likely that the 're-writers' looked at it, said "that's fine" and CnP'd it.
Likewise, having no width then if you could not "pass through" it if you approached it perpendicularly.
As to passing through, remember each square has it's own border. So if the line passes through, that is exists in the same one dimensional space as the border, then it passes through from one corner of the square to another.
I'm presuming you mean the side perpendicular to the bowman is never passed through since the bowman's line never crosses over the line.
As above. Since the wall's square exists as a single unit, the line enters the square's border at a corner point, continues in the same space as the border and exits at another corner point. Exactly the definition of passing through.
--path--->------------------------->
|wall1|wall2|wall3|
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So to keep the one-dimension thing going. The path begins at point 0, it travels 20' to length 20 which is the beginning (corner) of wall1's northern border. It continues 5' to length 25 (the opposite corner). And so on.
Vegepygmy
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Can two lines intersect? (Yes.) If so, then one can "pass through" another. This is pretty basic geometry.
Yeah, I know, but I figured if he was going to take the "no width" approach, then that seemed like an appropriate counter-response. This hearkens to the old "how can a point exist if it has no length nor width nor height?" philosophical debates way, way back in HS.
And the George Carlin bit about "Can God create a rock so big that even He can't lift it?"
But my statement was actually referring to "basic geometry" without trying to be condescending.
2 points define a line, 3 points define a plane (but neither exists in 3 dimensions).
2 lines can intersect but can't intersect if they are parallel to each other - which is what shooting down the corridor represents.
And why the difference in terminology between LoS and Cover is significant and explains this philosphy in game terms.
frankthedm
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So would this be along the lines of what you are saying? I'm pretty sure most wotc diagrams play out this way as well.
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The monsters gets an AoO because:
The character provokes an AOO for LEAVING a threatened square, not for entering according to RAW - that is AOO takes place on the green the field (graphic from above post) the character is standing on, not on the red one. In addition, the character has no cover on that field. Ergo, huge creature gets AoO.
The character provokes an AOO for LEAVING a threatened square, not for entering according to RAW - that is AOO takes place on the green the field (graphic from above post) the character is standing on, not on the red one. In addition, the character has no cover on that field. Ergo, huge creature gets AoO.
Vegepygmy
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Yep.
Except let's remember, as Herzog pointed out, that P2 does indeed have cover from P1 according to RAW, so no AoO.
Now, I personally don't count corners as part of a border, but that's not RAW. Unfortunately, veg doesn't seem to want to comment about that.
