I have finally found something I dislike

[Wolfspider]

That's not all that different as the old time stop gave you 1d4 rounds so about 2.5 actions none of which could be used offensively.

What's 3rd edition got to do with it?

 

[malraux]

You post your point and then you argue with everyone that posts afterwards, even if they agree with you.

What?!? No you don't. That would just make this an endless repetition of invective instead of a useful form of communication.

 

[Irda Ranger]

Firstly I would like to say that this is my first thread, so I am sorry if it comes off a bit weak.

Welcome out of the lurk, and no worries.

today I read about the time stop spell only gives you two non attack actions. I guess I just don't dig it.

Yeah, it's lame. Unfortunately, there's really no way to balance it with all other spells, since it would (effectively) always be twice as good (because you can do two other things).

I'd rather they'd just taken it out of the game rather than enforce some solution that's fair but doesn't make any sense at all in a Simulationist aspect. I know, hardly anyone cares about Sim (certainly not at WotC) and it's Iconic (or something), but I wouldn't have missed it.

oh, well I am still counting the minutes until my very shiney gift set arrives on my door step.

You and me both buddy. You and me both.

 

[PeterWeller]

What?!? No you don't. That would just make this an endless repetition of invective instead of a useful form of communication.

Hah! Useful form of communication. Where are you from? Bizarro calm, polite, and reasonable world?

OP: You're wrong and you're an idiot!

Everyone else: that goes for you too!

 

[Hambot]

good points, both of you. and I will concede to them

My jaw dropped when I read this. It made me realise how full of anger and bitterness some posters must be. Honestly I feel like I have to swim through a lot of bile around here when reading about new 4th edition info, when I just want to get info to help me plan my next game.

I paused for a second about the Timestop 2 standard action thing, remembered the 4e focus on making a fun game over making it a realistic one, realised this was a really powerful, simple way to do the iconic effect and moved on.

I know the new edition will not be perfect, and I will have many gripes with it. But It'll be such a step up for me from DM'ing 3rd edition because I'm just sick of that. I'm willing to ride with the little changes here and there, like how they changed magic missile, because I suspect the end result will just be more fun for me and my girlfriend to play.

 

[ArcpoktheUnwise]

I know the new edition will not be perfect, and I will have many gripes with it. But It'll be such a step up for me from DM'ing 3rd edition because I'm just sick of that. I'm willing to ride with the little changes here and there, like how they changed magic missile, because I suspect the end result will just be more fun for me and my girlfriend to play.

that is where my thoughts are headed too.

thank you kzach, peterweller and irda!

 

[Rex Blunder]

Perhaps Arcpok the Unwise is the wisest..... of us all?

[camera pans back, credits roll]

 

[Ruined]

I know, seeing Time Stop nerfed a bit made me sad. I mean, how else is Vecna gonna take out the Circle of Eight in one round?

 

[Hammerhead]

I know, seeing Time Stop nerfed a bit made me sad. I mean, how else is Vecna gonna take out the Circle of Eight in one round?

Yeah, because that was awesome!

 

[StarFyre]

hmm

due to how important chronomancy is in my games/worlds, etc....thankfully everyone (players included) want house ruling for magic, etc (even for some of the non magic classes)...

magic is the only part of 4E that friends and I really dislike..rest of it we can deal with.

Sanjay