I just did something I never though I would do

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

I'm out too. I am not even going to support Necromancer and Goodman like I was going to.

OGL 4 EVER!!

I am not sure about Goodman, but I think you can still support Necromancer - didn't Orcus recently announce that they're doing a Pathfinder full-color Tome of Horrors OGL product?

After reading them, yes, 4E is a pile of WOW-to-the-tabletop garbage as far as I'm concerned.

That being said, there are some brilliant ideas in there I'll be smashing into my hybrid rules system.

I play MMO's because I wanna play a MMO. When I want to play D&D - I want D&D, not some marketing attempt to get todays ADD MMO children to buy my D&D books.

I know it's your personal feeling, so I won't dispute anything you say.

But for me, an MMO has nothing to do with the rule system, and everything to do with the fact that I play it on a computer with dozens, hundreds or thousands of other players, many whom I'll never meet in real life.

If their was an MMO for me, I'd prefer one that uses rules that can also be used on a table-top, because these are usually simpler to understand, like, say, D&D 3E or 4E. I want to be able to understand my character on paper.

So, no edition of D&D can ever feel like an MMO to me.

Unfortunately, what I fear is also part of MMOs is the addictive quality. Since you can get your "fix" basically anytime you want, it is dangerous. For pen & paper / tabletop role-playing games I still need to organize a group. That's the reason why I tried to avoid WoW. I tested it once, and figured it _might_ be fun, but considering the first 2 similar boring and simple quests I encountered, I decided that it would just suck to much time.

Well, little did I know that ENWorld and the up-coming 4E release could do the same to me...

 

[Treebore]

If it wasn't for 4E, I wouldn't be playing anything. 3E was great at first, but at higher levels just sucked the life out of me....

Yep. Then I discovered C&C and I am enjoying playing D&D again to the same degree as when I first started with AD&D. If it wasn't for the 3E OGL I would have quit playing D&D altogether. Fortunately a system was created due to the OGL that became the perfect game for me, and kept me in the RPG hobby.

4E is going to suck the life out of you too. Its newness just keeps that from being easy to see. The only good thing about 4E is that it may wait until a higher level before it starts to feel that way. So if you like to play between 1st and 15th level you may be able to stay happy with 4E. I like to play up to 30th level. 4E is not the game for me.

As for the greatness of 4E, my reaction to it is the same as how I look at GURPS, Rolemaster, HARP, Paladium Fantasy, etc... Its a different way to play a fantasy game, but its not better than what I am doing right now. Not for me.

So its fine with me that people like 4E. Just like its fine with me that others prefer HARP, Harn, Rolemaster, GURPS, etc...

Just don't expect to convince me that your game is better than mine. My game is perfect for me. Play in your sand box, don't expect me to play in it, just like I don't expect you to play in mine.

 

[dragonlordofpoondari]

Hooray! Every time someone rejects 4e an angel gets his wings!

Well, at least that explains all that klaxon, harp and choir music I've been hearing lately.

And here I thought I had suffered a blow to the head ...

 

[Aus_Snow]

I am not sure about Goodman, but I think you can still support Necromancer - didn't Orcus recently announce that they're doing a Pathfinder full-color Tome of Horrors OGL product?

He did? He did what?!

*drool*

Um, oops. God, I hate it when that happens.

 

[wedgeski]

ENW is really starting to remind me of the WoW forums.

To be clear, this is not a good thing.

 

[Treebore]

He did? He did what?!

*drool*

Um, oops. God, I hate it when that happens.

Yes. Plus he said he wasn't going to do any other 3E products in 4E either. All their 4E line will be new for 4E only. Tegal Manor looks to be unlikely now as well. Certain GSL questions need to be clearly answered before that will be known for sure.

 

[ExploderWizard]

I am not sure about Goodman, but I think you can still support Necromancer - didn't Orcus recently announce that they're doing a Pathfinder full-color Tome of Horrors OGL product?

Necromancer is staying with the OGL? I thought that they announced that they would be supporting 4E. How can they produce products for both? (which would be great if they could)

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Necromancer is staying with the OGL? I thought that they announced that they would be supporting 4E. How can they produce products for both? (which would be great if they could)

They do both. But they will have to avoid re-using OGL content for their GSL material and vice versa. So, the Tome of Horrors will stay 3E/OGL/Pathfinder and not make a 4E appearance. There will probably still be a 4E monster book, but it will contain new monsters.

It is just _nearly_ the best of both worlds. But it's nice to know. Especially if they also make an adventure line for 4E. My group DMs are lazy and need adventures!

 

[JDJblatherings]

Necromancer is staying with the OGL? I thought that they announced that they would be supporting 4E. How can they produce products for both? (which would be great if they could)

from clark:

So yes Necro will be doing 4E for sure. No doubt. We will also do at least one and maybe a few 3.5/Pathfinder products.

 

[Pinotage]

Especially if they also make an adventure line for 4E. My group DMs are lazy and need adventures!

That was announced by Orcus wasn't it? Necromancer were planning on doing an Adventure Path for 4e. I'm assuming that's still on the cards.

Pinotage