I just watched Aladdin: Return of Jafar and I really want Al Qadim 5e

LuisCarlos17f

Adventurer
I really loved that serie, maybe it is my favorite Disney cartoon. I missed characters as Sadira the sand witch (really an anti-villain), or Monzerath the warlock. Mechanicles was ridiculous, but also fun.

I had forgotten to mention the videogames "Prince of Persian" as source of inspiration.

In al-Qadim some races could be "non-evil", or even living in cosmopolitan cities with other races, for example hobgoblins.

What about the races (asherati, bukha) and creatures from 3.5 sourcebook "Sandstorm"?

The wishes by genies had got some limits, for example you couldn't become king.

How would be a new al-Qadim videogame, the same classes?
 

gyor

Hero
I really loved that serie, maybe it is my favorite Disney cartoon. I missed characters as Sadira the sand witch (really an anti-villain), or Monzerath the warlock. Mechanicles was ridiculous, but also fun.

I had forgotten to mention the videogames "Prince of Persian" as source of inspiration.

In al-Qadim some races could be "non-evil", or even living in cosmopolitan cities with other races, for example hobgoblins.

What about the races (asherati, bukha) and creatures from 3.5 sourcebook "Sandstorm"?

The wishes by genies had got some limits, for example you couldn't become king.

How would be a new al-Qadim videogame, the same classes?
I loved the Prince of Persia movie.
 

NotAYakk

Adventurer
The wizard who does deals; imagine if there are types of djinn you can have favor with. Your max favor per type is limited by your level. Based on favor, you get continuous, short rest and daily benefits.

So a fire djinn at favor 5 could give you a 1/day fireball, a 1/short rest burning hands, and a firebolt at-will. A mephit might be a continuous familiar for you and cast shocking grasp 1/day.

You can also consume favors for boosts to those benefits. Regaining such favor might take gifts, downtime, leveling up or even time.

A similar chassy could work for shamans.
 

LuisCarlos17f

Adventurer
If the sha'ir could summon genies....shouldn't she use a game mechanic as vestiges pact magic? Or somebody would try to use the summoned genies as "pokemons".
 

Tonguez

Adventurer
I really loved that serie, maybe it is my favorite Disney cartoon. I missed characters as Sadira the sand witch (really an anti-villain), or Monzerath the warlock. Mechanicles was ridiculous, but also fun.

I had forgotten to mention the videogames "Prince of Persian" as source of inspiration.
Gargoyles remains my favorite Disney cartoon but Alladin is a definite second, with so much fodder for use - urban and wilderness settings, crime-riddle streets to palace intrigue, daring swordplay, semi-phenomenal magical power, powerful creatures, talking animals and Mechanicles machines. Not sure if balancing team Alladin would be possible in DnD though:)

Prince of Persia also remains my favourite game series (way back from the Atari to the much improved Ubisoft reboot. The old Sinbad the Sailor movies and Pirates of Darkwater also provide good inspiration

If the sha'ir could summon genies....shouldn't she use a game mechanic as vestiges pact magic? Or somebody would try to use the summoned genies as "pokemons".
The Gen are more Elemental familiars than real Genies though, I’d consider Sha’ir more Warlock with Genie Patron than Wizard or pokemon summoner
 

gyor

Hero
If the sha'ir could summon genies....shouldn't she use a game mechanic as vestiges pact magic? Or somebody would try to use the summoned genies as "pokemons".
It's not really the same thing. The Shi'ar had a Gens, a small minigenie familiar that fetched spells for them, basically the familiar WAS the Spellbook. I think the Shi'ar was the inspiration for the Witch class in Pathfinder btw.
 

gyor

Hero
I just watched the Aladdin Hecules Cross over episode Hecules in Arabia, and realized the weird truth of Agrabah is that it's religion must be Hellenistic because Jafar's soul goes to Hades, not to the Muslim Hell. This makes sense if you think of Agrabah as being a preIslamic Arabian city during a period of Hellenization. A lot of People don't realize how far the Ancient Greek religion had spread. There are Greek Temples as far as the Indian subcontinent, all the way to Spain, so a Hellenized Arabian city makes a strange kind of sense. It is also why you never see Mosques or Hijabs in Agrabah, they practice an Arabian style version of the Hellenism.
 

LuisCarlos17f

Adventurer
Maybe after Oriental Adventures WotC could publish a "1001 Nights" with pantheons from Mesopotamian and neighbours zones, for the yahiliyyah ( = "age of ignorance", pre-islamic times). And I suggest to add the highest number of supernatural factions because it is more confortable to use fantasy monsters as antagonists than groups what make us to remember some sad facts from real world, for example dragons (infiltrated as merchants), giants, genies (whose daughters are infiltrated in the harems as favorite concubines), lovecraftian cults, abomination invaders from the Far Realm, defiler spellcasters, sentient constructs who rebel against their creators (and they go to the dessert where they don't need food nor water and they don't want visits), lord feys, angry wraiths of concubines killed in harem intrigues, corsairs in skyships, mutants created by experiments about life-shape technology, "road warriors" like the fantasy version of Mad Max (can you imagine the menace of automobile vehicles whose spirit awakes and becomes sentient?).
 

Tonguez

Adventurer
I just watched the Aladdin Hecules Cross over episode Hecules in Arabia, and realized the weird truth of Agrabah is that it's religion must be Hellenistic because Jafar's soul goes to Hades, not to the Muslim Hell. This makes sense if you think of Agrabah as being a preIslamic Arabian city during a period of Hellenization. A lot of People don't realize how far the Ancient Greek religion had spread. There are Greek Temples as far as the Indian subcontinent, all the way to Spain, so a Hellenized Arabian city makes a strange kind of sense. It is also why you never see Mosques or Hijabs in Agrabah, they practice an Arabian style version of the Hellenism.
Agrabah has far more Indian symbolism than it does Arabic so I’ve always thought that it was more likely to be found somewhere North of India (or in Persia).
The original story said Allladin was from one of the cities of China (which I assume means the Muslim parts of China/Central Asia (Afghanistan/Tajikstan/Pakistan)), but the movies look and assumptions a probably more Persia

Having it be a Hellenized Persian city works well to explain a few anomolies...
 
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LuisCarlos17f

Adventurer
Or maybe Agrabah is in the continent of Auradon in a different world. (and ruled by Beast and Beast, and the future daughter-in-law will be Mal, Malefica and Hades' child. (and Hades sings rock and roll very well).
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
I just watched the Aladdin Hecules Cross over episode Hecules in Arabia, and realized the weird truth of Agrabah is that it's religion must be Hellenistic because Jafar's soul goes to Hades, not to the Muslim Hell. This makes sense if you think of Agrabah as being a preIslamic Arabian city during a period of Hellenization. A lot of People don't realize how far the Ancient Greek religion had spread. There are Greek Temples as far as the Indian subcontinent, all the way to Spain, so a Hellenized Arabian city makes a strange kind of sense. It is also why you never see Mosques or Hijabs in Agrabah, they practice an Arabian style version of the Hellenism.
Or Jafar was a Hermetic Mystic who offered tribute to Hades in exchange for esoteric knowledge.

Because the Sultan in the 1st movie references Allah in a way that wouldn’t make sense for a Hellenistic pagan.
 

Tonguez

Adventurer
Or Jafar was a Hermetic Mystic who offered tribute to Hades in exchange for esoteric knowledge.

Because the Sultan in the 1st movie references Allah in a way that wouldn’t make sense for a Hellenistic pagan.
al-lah means ‘The god’ and was used by pagans and Christians in Arabia in the generations before Mohammad.
The Sultans use of the term still works in that context
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
al-lah means ‘The god’ and was used by pagans and Christians in Arabia in the generations before Mohammad.
The Sultans use of the term still works in that context
The way he used it was more in line with how Christians and Muslims use it, ie referring a singular god.
 

gyor

Hero
Agrabah has far more Indian symbolism than it does Arabic so I’ve always thought that it was more likely to be found somewhere North of India (or in Persia).
The original story said Alladin was one of the cities of China (which I assume means the Muslim Parts of Central Asia (Afghanistan/Tajikstan/Pakistan)), but the movies look and assumptions a probably more Persia

Having it be a Hellenized Persian city works well to explain a few anomolies...
Exactly, I mean Arabian Nights is a lot bigger then just the original Arabian q say,
Hijabs were introduced in the 1940's, and are neither historical nor mythic for Islam.
I had no idea!
 

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