Frostmarrow
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Part 2 and 3 are supposed to take place over 72 hours. That's three days. Are we to assume that Neo will be going to heaven, and sit by the Architect, at the end of Revolutions?
I saw the MATRIX 2 thread SPOILERS ABOUND
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Welverin said:
Umm, yeah, what with The Hero With A Thousand Faces being the model for such things as, oh, Star Wars. Not that I would expect Joe Guy off the street to know this, he just seems relatively well known around here
. Maybe that is only in the general forum though.
Welverin
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Wayside said:Umm, yeah, what with The Hero With A Thousand Faces being the model for such things as, oh, Star Wars. Not that I would expect Joe Guy off the street to know this, he just seems relatively well known around here
I'd say, because I can't recall hearing of that either. Oh and being used as a model for something else doesn't require being well known.
Of course I could just be an uncultured lout, so who knows?
JacktheRabbit
Explorer
EricNoah said:
Now do the math and tell me how many people per day you would have to free from the Matrix to have 24 people go to 250,000 people all in the space of one lifetime (assume the councilman was the One and was Neo's age).
Basically in the space of 40 years a population would have to go from 24 to 250,000. Also in that time not a single member of the origional group can break down and let out the truth about everything.
Too much of a stretch for me.
JacktheRabbit
Explorer
Lots of people have asked how Neo can affect things in the real world.
Many assume he can because this is another layer of the
Matrix or because he can now remotely log into the Matrix.
What if it is something else? What if everything is pretty well how the Architect says things are but there is something the Architect did not predict.
Neo is actually Neo v6.0 according to the Architect. Now does that mean he is just the 6th choice or he is the 6th itteration. If he is the 6th itteration maybe he is a clone of the previous. If that is the case then maybe reusing the same material for each itteration of Neo is allowing Neo to get better every time.
Things do change over time. The Architect says that Zion has been destroyed 5 times and the AI is getting very good at it. So the AI can adapt over time. The AI is learning from each assault and getting better.
Also a side point. Either the Architect or the Oracle are lying. The Oracle knew that Neo and Trinity would be in love. How can she really know this is her knowledge is based on the actions of the previous Neo's. Also one would assume that what the Oracle knows the Architect must also know. They must be working together. If this is the case then the Architect would know what answer Neo would take so why give him a choice when he is going to make the wrong choice.
Many assume he can because this is another layer of the
Matrix or because he can now remotely log into the Matrix.
What if it is something else? What if everything is pretty well how the Architect says things are but there is something the Architect did not predict.
Neo is actually Neo v6.0 according to the Architect. Now does that mean he is just the 6th choice or he is the 6th itteration. If he is the 6th itteration maybe he is a clone of the previous. If that is the case then maybe reusing the same material for each itteration of Neo is allowing Neo to get better every time.
Things do change over time. The Architect says that Zion has been destroyed 5 times and the AI is getting very good at it. So the AI can adapt over time. The AI is learning from each assault and getting better.
Also a side point. Either the Architect or the Oracle are lying. The Oracle knew that Neo and Trinity would be in love. How can she really know this is her knowledge is based on the actions of the previous Neo's. Also one would assume that what the Oracle knows the Architect must also know. They must be working together. If this is the case then the Architect would know what answer Neo would take so why give him a choice when he is going to make the wrong choice.
DocMoriartty said:
Um, I wouldn't assume that at all. In fact, one of the top things on my mind coming out of the theatre was if the Architect and the Oracle are really working towards the same thing.
This is the sixth iteration, and things change. Maybe one of them has gotten tired of this, and thinks there's a better way to go about it and is heading toward that end. Hm?
DocMoriartty said:
Ah, but you assume they have the same lifespan as you or me. For all we know they could live alot longer than us. It could be more like 50 or 60 years. Also, they said they have released alot more people since they release Neo than they had before. So we can assume that they have had a major population boost. Also, some of those 250k are natural born humans. So they weren't released from the Matrix at all.
Mustrum_Ridcully
Legend
I rewatched Matrix today, together with my two sisters, and I noticed something - or was remembered at something - i seem to have overlooked:
(Ex) Agent Smith sends Neo a present, his old communicationthingie he used as an agent.
From the first movie, I remember him taking it off when he interrogated Morpheus. Before, he send the two other agents out (by the way, somehow I miss their familiar faces - I watched the first movie to often ).
When the bomb in the elevator explodes, and the water goes off, the two other agents enter the room again, Smith still without his coms. All three seem to be surprised - Smith because of the water and the disturbance, the other two of Smith "interrogation methods" and maybe also his missing com.
Smith seemed to be unaware of what happend unlike in all other situations.
When the agents give orders, they tend to touch their ear and their com unit, especially in the scene where they send the sentinels after the nekubadnezarniansduinst (whatever - the hero`s ship). Maybe (or better: probably) it is the communication device not only between the agents, but also between all other machines (at least those still linked to the system).
So, Neo got this communication device that allows agents to control other machines - maybe he can finally use it, even if he was not aware of these abilities before. (Maybe it required the sweets of the oracle or the contact with the architect to get "access" to this new device/subprogram/ability)
Maybe it also explains why he could use it outside the Matrix, while unplugged - the Sentinels are always unplugged and do not have to be on "transmission level" to work and receive orders (otherwise, the attack on Zion would fail).
In this case, it seems as if Neo (and probably all other "ex-plugged") has some kind of transceiver - for whatever reason...
It still leaves the question if (and then, why?) Smith really wanted this to happen - whe can`t be sure what he wants (from the last movie, he seems to prefer the Matrix and humanity destroyed)
Mustrum Ridcully
(Ex) Agent Smith sends Neo a present, his old communicationthingie he used as an agent.
From the first movie, I remember him taking it off when he interrogated Morpheus. Before, he send the two other agents out (by the way, somehow I miss their familiar faces - I watched the first movie to often
).When the bomb in the elevator explodes, and the water goes off, the two other agents enter the room again, Smith still without his coms. All three seem to be surprised - Smith because of the water and the disturbance, the other two of Smith "interrogation methods" and maybe also his missing com.
Smith seemed to be unaware of what happend unlike in all other situations.
When the agents give orders, they tend to touch their ear and their com unit, especially in the scene where they send the sentinels after the nekubadnezarniansduinst (whatever - the hero`s ship). Maybe (or better: probably) it is the communication device not only between the agents, but also between all other machines (at least those still linked to the system).
So, Neo got this communication device that allows agents to control other machines - maybe he can finally use it, even if he was not aware of these abilities before. (Maybe it required the sweets of the oracle or the contact with the architect to get "access" to this new device/subprogram/ability)
Maybe it also explains why he could use it outside the Matrix, while unplugged - the Sentinels are always unplugged and do not have to be on "transmission level" to work and receive orders (otherwise, the attack on Zion would fail).
In this case, it seems as if Neo (and probably all other "ex-plugged") has some kind of transceiver - for whatever reason...
It still leaves the question if (and then, why?) Smith really wanted this to happen - whe can`t be sure what he wants (from the last movie, he seems to prefer the Matrix and humanity destroyed)
Mustrum Ridcully
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