I still believe in god, but god no longer believes in me?

Darmanicus

I'm Ray...of Enfeeblement
My name is Reliq Al Sulak and I was, until just moments ago, a dead man. Every breath I take now feels like pure greed: I no longer need it but I take it. But as far as I'm concerned, I am still a dead man. My faith in both my god and myself is in tatters; my path no longer surely signposted. I am lost.

But I digress, so I shall tell you of the events leading up to the present and my dilemma…….

We had managed to gain entrance to the tower of the Death Knight, Clawron Shattersoul. He held captive a little girl who, according to the wise men and seers of Greenridge, was in fact an artefact; the embodiment of pure evil and the thing responsible for the plague that was slowly destroying all magic. Of the wisdom of the wise men, I had grave doubts although this was irrelevant because, one way or another, we would be taking her from Clawron.

The girl we found shortly into our venture inside Clawron's tower. Shortly after that, Karnak found us. At about nine feet tall and dressed in dark, full plate armour, Karnak was an imposing sight. He held, in his enormous, gauntleted hands, a wicked looking halberd, and in case I hadn't already mentioned, he was a stinking, undead minotaur. Anger slowly boiled the blood in my veins at the sight of this abomination.

Karnak began his taunts, as evil has a want to do when it hasn't got a mirror to hand so that it can talk to the only other person that'll listen, whilst we readied ourselves to smite this lackey of darkness. I offered him the chance to join his grass chewing brethren in the fields, and that maybe there he could truly show off his prowess with the plough he was holding. He wasn't amused and there the taunting ended.

"Time to die" I shouted at him. At that moment I did not realise that I spoke of the death of myself and two of my friends. It didn't take long for that moment, however, to come to pass.

Ozric, our mage, pointed at Karnak and his magic thundered into him. Lightning danced over his armour. Karnak glared at Ozric and promised, "You will be the first to die by my hand wizard"!

Karnak unleashed a dark and fiery mass from the abyss itself and my friend Angor, Cleric of Pelor, screamed in agony as his flesh was burned from his bones, becoming the first victim of this evil b@st@rd. All but my halfing friend Cotton felt the lick of his fire that burned not only flesh, but seared the soul also.

Monsieur Camembert and the Half-Orc, Half-Elven fighter, whose name eludes me at this moment, charged Karnak whilst White Wolf, our Elven Archer, rained holy vengeance upon him. Most of their blows were turned aside by his armour and those that did penetrate seemed to do little to this monstrosity.

I myself then charged and, wielding my undead slaying falchion high above me, I called upon the rage of my patron Raziel to smite this defiler of life. My righteous wrath and Raziels fury powered my falchion into Karnak. He seemed not to notice. Karnak then unleashed a flurry of blows I did not believe was possible for such a cumbersome looking being. Camembert and the Orc/Elf were struck mightily and suffered grievous wounds. Fortunately my enchanted belt caused those attacks it directed at me to miss and plough deep flurries in the stone floor. I was sure not to miss the opportunity to elaborate further on my previous insult; I would come to regret my words more quickly than it took me to utter them.

Camembert tumbled behind Karnak and stabbed him. Orc/Elf struck him also, then sprang away out of his reach. White Wolf released another barrage. Karnak still did not seem to notice. I called upon Raziel for the final time and struck him twice, leaving deep gashes, and still this thing stood before us, mocking all our efforts.

Karnak struck again, and this time it was Camembert's time to fall and my time to cry out in pain as I felt his blade and the acidic burst that accompanied it. Both Orc/Elf and I could not stand up against another one of Karnaks furious assaults but Cotton joined the fray and there was no chance I was leaving my little friend to his attentions. Lightning once again struck Karnak as did a hail of arrows from White Wolf, and now he did look wounded.

Before disappearing, and with the promise to return and finish us off in a suitably horrible manner, Karnak struck once more, and this time it was my corpse that hit the stone floor.

And so it is that I come to the part of my tale that makes everything that has happened before, pale in comparison. This is where I met my patron, my god , my Raziel.

I'm conscious although my senses tell me nothing. I am just aware that I still am and that something else, something awesome and overwhelming is drawing nearer. I feel calm and as it gets closer I feel calmer still. It is now all around me and then I hear it's mighty voice…………and I know for certain that I am in the presence of Raziel, my god.

"If you wish to live Reliq, you must give up the path you are on and thus deny yourself your inevitable transformation from humanity to sainthood. This is my will".

If I could have seen myself, I would have said that I stood there stunned; for two reasons. The first was that I was on the road to becoming what we mortals call a Saint and that this was inevitable? Surely not me, not a Saint? Secondly my god was telling me that if I wished to live then the price would be to abandon the path I had been travelling for my whole life. Either way I would not become a Saint, however this was irrelevant. Two of my friends were quite probably dead and the rest were in serious danger, not to mention the little girl. The choice at the time was simple and I made it instantly.

"Done" I said, and in that instant I found myself lying on the floor where I had fallen to Karnaks blade.

I now find myself asking silent questions to anything out there that might be listening, in the hope that something or someone might be able to provide me with an answer to quell the maelstrom of emotions I feel.

Why would he ask this of me? Am I not worthy? Is this a test and if so should I have stood up to my god for that which I believe in? What should I do now? I cannot stop being who I am any more than I can stop drawing the breath that I no longer want. The power that Raziel granted me still surrounds me and tingles on my flesh. Will it slowly fade away and leave me an empty and lonely shell? Will I keep it and if so then why does he let me? Why? Why? Why……..me?
 

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Nicely written, but who on earth wants to call his character Camembert? I mean :" Hi, I'm Sir Camembert The Brave, my Liege, I've come to offer fealty" People will be calling him cheesehead the brave before long. "What's that awfull smell? I think our Brave Sir Camembert has entered the room, Mylord"

Btw, is there a point to this? Any questions, or was it just something you wished to share?
 

My point is Dr, that a while back I suggested to my DM that I would like to try for the Saint template and he said ok, that's fine. So for the last god knows how long, I've been working towards it and it's been great fun, not to mention extremely difficult. The difficult part has been trying to fulfill the requirement of great personal sacrifice. So far I have given up a level to save a character from dying, offered to stay behind and fend of several demons whilst the rest of the party teleported to safety and a few other minor things which are basically no brainers.

The thing is, is that Raziel offered me my life back in exchange for not pursuing the saint thing and I'm in need of some feedback as to why that might be. All those questions and probably a load more need answering as this Paladin is now felling that he's lost his way. :(

Oh yeah......thanks for the compliment.

Monsieur Camembert is one in a long line of one of our players wierd/wonderful/useless characters. He's great to game with, (does the accent 'n' all!). :D
 
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I am assuming that your DM, as the Raziel persona, told you that you can have your life back but must give up the path of the saint.

Perhaps this is one of those roleplaying things - Raziel might be telling you that sainthood is not actively pursued but is bestowed by your god for a life time of good works and sacrifice. In other words, you don't strive to become a saint - you strive to do good deeds and sacrifice in the name of your god without expectation of reward and your god then bestows sainthood upon you at his whim.

Or, your DM is telling you something else - like he don't want you to have the power-ups that sainthood provides because he sees it as a detriment to the campaign for some reason. Or it was a test of some sort.... a test that you don't understand at the moment.

At any rate, maybe it is best to discuss this with your DM and find out what his intentions are or why he played thing out the way he did.

Great story, btw.
 


Ok, gotcha. First of all, I'd thank your DM for the cool roleplaying opportunity, and he should thank you for the sacrifices you're making. Second, I think it's a test of faith. If you have the words exactly right, your god is asking something impossible, for how can you deny something inevitable? It's a metagame thingie, I mean, you might want your character to become a saint and therefore give things up to have a more powerfull character, but your character gives things up because he feels they are right. He doesn't actively persue to become a saint, and therefore he'll try to serve his god as best as he can. Just keep doing what your character feels is right.
 

I'm not sure what your DM has in mind, but I have an RP suggestion.

You've done the right thing, for the right reason, and you've had to give up your quest for sainthood in the process. The easy answer for the character is to also give up his faith as well. How's this for an even better sacrifice: keep the faith in your god in spite of the apparent betrayal. A sacrifice doesn't mean anything if there's no cost, and turning away from your god is simple. The hard part is confronting an unexplained tragedy with grace and trusting in "the will of god."

Under this rubric, your great personal sacrifice is your sense of betrayal (literally, you give up the feelings of betrayal) and the "loss" of your sainthood. Ironically, that's the kind of thing might well qualify you for the template.

--G
 

It does seem to me to be a test. If, to become a saint, you need to sacrifice something, something of great value, perhapse, sainthood is the thing you need to give up to attain it.

From the story, I can see that your Paladin is not actively trying to become a saint, and was clearly shocked by the suggestion that he could be one, ever. Given that, giving up "Trying to become a saint" isn't what's in order. I think that, giving up feeling the love of your god, for the chance to do His will, for nothing in return, is the sacrifice he may need to make to be consitered a saint. Truely someone who could devote their lives to a being of good, who will never love them again, is making a great sacrifice.

Reading your story nearly made me cry. I hope you're an author.

- Kemrain the Moved.
 

Goobermunch said:
I'm not sure what your DM has in mind, but I have an RP suggestion.

You've done the right thing, for the right reason, and you've had to give up your quest for sainthood in the process. The easy answer for the character is to also give up his faith as well. How's this for an even better sacrifice: keep the faith in your god in spite of the apparent betrayal. A sacrifice doesn't mean anything if there's no cost, and turning away from your god is simple. The hard part is confronting an unexplained tragedy with grace and trusting in "the will of god."

Under this rubric, your great personal sacrifice is your sense of betrayal (literally, you give up the feelings of betrayal) and the "loss" of your sainthood. Ironically, that's the kind of thing might well qualify you for the template.

--G

Sounds like a good rationale to me. By the way, Darmanicus has previously teased us with the idea that he may write this story up in a story hour at some point. This episode just teases me even more-come on, Darmanicus, put us out of our misery and get writing :D
 

Another RP suggestion:

Play the character as if he had foresaken the saint objective he [may have] had. But consider it, for the character always, as a sacrifice for a better service to your god. In other words, the character think that by the best way to truly serve his god is by selflessly abandonning his desire for sainthood. Makes sense?

[edit: oops, seems to me other people suggested the same things in a different formulation. Should've read the whole thread ;) ]
 
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