I take an AOO on my ally

dcollins:
Who decides who is an "enemy"?

The provoker of the AoO?
--If so, I could consider myself an ally of the troll and not incur AoO's as I run past him.

The person who threatens the provoker?
--If so, the rogue gets his AoO.

The omnicient DM?
--If so, players no longer have free will and this discussion about who is an enemy or an ally is meaningless.

The RAW?
--If so... Citation?
 

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dcollins said:
The classic: wizard summons dogs to run by a fighter ally and not attack, triggering AOOs and hence Great Cleave into main enemy. Replace with any other nonthreatening creatures you like.


i think i beat you by a whole page. :p
 


Hypersmurf said:
I also saw a hypothetical abuse of the Elusive Target tactical feat, where the PC fighter with ET attacks an opponent, and declares his Dodge bonus against the PC rogue standing behind him (who therefore flanks the fighter with the opponent).

The rogue attacks the fighter... but since the fighter has ET, the rogue's attack strikes the opponent, who is denied Dex bonus and therefore takes sneak attack damage...
I guess you could call that abusive, but I don't know that it's any better than regular flanking. The rogue only gets one attack per round this way; neither PC gets the flanking bonus to hit; and the opponent gets +2 to hit the "flanked" fighter.

About the only upside is that it lets the rogue sneak attack somebody with Improved Uncanny Dodge, without having to be four levels higher. Even then I'd be inclined to allow it, since it does have those drawbacks, in addition to requiring three feats to pull off.
 

Does anyone know where the stats for the Meta-Gama monster are? I saw someone write up a 3.0 stat block for that hideous creature, but I can't find it anymore. It always knew what your actions were... (Btw, I am being serious).

The Rogue has levels in the Rules Lawyer PrC from Mongoose's Slayer's Guide to Rules Lawyers, he just forgot to mention it. He may even have a few levels of DM PrC as well, who knows?
 


AuraSeer said:
The term "enemy" is not specifically defined in game terms

Actually, it is defined in the PHB glossary. An enemy is anyone unfriendly to the character.

None the less, there is nothing in the game that dictates who is an ally and who is an enemy. There is no no-PVP flag over your party members head, there is no hostile tag over your opponents. The player should be able to decide, on the fly, who he considers a friend and who he considers an enemy. Otherwise, D&D boils down to an assinine wargame where your choices and the rules are written in stone.
 

Scion said:
Why would this trigger? It seems to me that the penalty comes from not wanting to hit one of them, but if you dont really care if one jumps in the way of the other then there shouldnt be a penalty. They are still both enemies of 'yours' after all.

Oops - quite right. The -4 is only if one of the people in the melee is friendly to you.

Of course, if at the same time as he declares himself the wizard's enemy, the fighter also declares himself your friend, he now fits the criteria of 'a friendly creature in melee with your target' ;)

-Hyp.
 


So, two allies are surrounded by enemies. One of the two allies is on his last hit point, and he's gonna fall anyway. You, the other ally, have great cleave. So, you attack your ally first because he's gonna be an easy kill, granting you all kinds of attacks.

Sure, sounds great. When can I game with you guys?

Dave
 

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