I think Produce Flame is magical.

[moritheil]

[:20] moritheil: I don't see anything stating that it isn't magical fire.
[:21] Gakar: "dealing fire damage"
[:21] Gakar: as opposed to "magical fire damage"
[:22] moritheil: it's fire from a spell
[:22] moritheil: check this out
[:22] moritheil: flaming sphere? "fire damage"
[:23] moritheil: wall of fire? "fire damage"
[:23] moritheil: Is wall of fire not magical fire damage?
[:23] moritheil: And yet it doesn't specify magical.

The context of the discussion is this: Gakar asserts that a druid cannot use a Produce Flame spell to damage a ghost, because the ghost is only harmed by magical flames, and his interpretation is that Produce Flame produces nonmagical flame.

My assertion is that in the absence of a spell telling me it produces nonmagical flame, a spell produces magical flame, and Produce Flame is a spell. Therefore, flame from Produce Flame should be able to injure ghosts.

Ironically enough, Gakar's character is the one that will benefit if Produce Flame can affect ghosts.

Have I overlooked something?

 

[Hypersmurf]

While this doesn't work to distinguish magical from non-magical in many cases, ask him why non-magical fire would allow spell resistance...

-Hyp.

 

[moritheil]

While this doesn't work to distinguish magical from non-magical in many cases, ask him why non-magical fire would allow spell resistance...

-Hyp.

That's a can of worms with the conjuration orb spells. I think those are the examples you allude to, are they not?

 

[dcollins]

I agree that fire from produce flame and other spells is magical.

Hyp's pointing out that produce flame has a specifier of "Spell Resistance: Yes", further emphasizing its magical nature.

 

[Hypersmurf]

That's a can of worms with the conjuration orb spells. I think those are the examples you allude to, are they not?

That's why I said it doesn't work in many cases

But ask him to explain why a non-magical flame would allow SR. Don't bring up why magical flame doesn't in the case of Orb of Flame.

-Hyp.

 

[moritheil]

That's why I said it doesn't work in many cases

But ask him to explain why a non-magical flame would allow SR. Don't bring up why magical flame doesn't in the case of Orb of Flame.

-Hyp.

I'm not sure that, IMC, I would want to say that Orb of Flame produces magical fire damage, due to that same logic, but I suppose that's neither here nor there. I guess I'll houserule it to work consistently if someone takes it.

Thanks for your responses!

 

[Hypersmurf]

I'm not sure that, IMC, I would want to say that Orb of Flame produces magical fire damage, due to that same logic, but I suppose that's neither here nor there.

Right, but it's really a separate-but-related question.

"Is it magical fire damage?" does not share the same answer as "Does it allow SR?"

It's more like:

"Is it magical fire damage?"
1. "Does it allow SR?"
If yes, it's magical. If no, proceed to Step 2.

And then Step 2 is the whole Orb of Electricity debate.

-Hyp.

 

[Corsair]

Wait a second... the guy is arguing that fire that appears out of no where, and sits in your hand with no sustaining fuel thanks to the USE OF MAGIC is non-magical? *blink*

 

[moritheil]

Wait a second... the guy is arguing that fire that appears out of no where, and sits in your hand with no sustaining fuel thanks to the USE OF MAGIC is non-magical? *blink*

And also, magically does not harm you or your items. Yes.