Bendris Noulg
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Oh, you folks want to take it easy on your friend, that's fine. Fortunately, I don't have to be so merciful.
Let's see how well he handles fuzzy toys under the couch just out of reach.
I won't be switching to D&D 3.5e
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Oh, you folks want to take it easy on your friend, that's fine. Fortunately, I don't have to be so merciful.
Let's see how well he handles fuzzy toys under the couch just out of reach.
Darrin Drader
Explorer
Of course it is entirely your decision whether or nor to buy the new books. Having been a poor college kid myself once, I know what its like to scrape together your last few pennies every month for some luxury items after bills have been paid and something passing for food is in your cupboards. Nevertheless, many of your arguments are based on assumption.
Its been said before and will be said long after this - your 3E books are still completely usable after the revision. You might just have to go on faith here, but the changes are not so huge that prestige classes, spells, feats, and magic items from the expansion books will stop working the way they did before. Most of the changes will simply be correcting things that were broke before, including erratta, and clarifying confusing portions - and there are many, many unclear and confusing portions of 3E right now.
I deal with the broken stuff in 3E on a daily basis. While 3E is a much nicer, sleeker, easier to understand system than 2E, it still has MANY elements that are VERY BROKEN. Harm is just the tip of the iceberg. Many of the fixes are already available in erratta, but there are numerous other issues such as game mechanics that just don't see each other, spells that don't take other spells into account despite their effects potentially influencing one another... I'm not even going to go into the problems that arise because of certain feat combinations and other power gamer abuses that occure on a regular basis.
Like I said before, I respect your decision to not buy the new books due to financial reasons, but at the very least you should really get ahold of the SRD once its available just for the clarifications. If you need to find a new group to game with you may need the books so that you're playing by the same rules as them, and if nothing else, most people end up having to replace their core books after using them for a few years. When replacements become necessary, the revision will still be there.
Just out of curiosity, why would you want to pick up the one book that will most likely contain the least number of changes?
shadow said:
Its been said before and will be said long after this - your 3E books are still completely usable after the revision. You might just have to go on faith here, but the changes are not so huge that prestige classes, spells, feats, and magic items from the expansion books will stop working the way they did before. Most of the changes will simply be correcting things that were broke before, including erratta, and clarifying confusing portions - and there are many, many unclear and confusing portions of 3E right now.
I deal with the broken stuff in 3E on a daily basis. While 3E is a much nicer, sleeker, easier to understand system than 2E, it still has MANY elements that are VERY BROKEN. Harm is just the tip of the iceberg. Many of the fixes are already available in erratta, but there are numerous other issues such as game mechanics that just don't see each other, spells that don't take other spells into account despite their effects potentially influencing one another... I'm not even going to go into the problems that arise because of certain feat combinations and other power gamer abuses that occure on a regular basis.
Like I said before, I respect your decision to not buy the new books due to financial reasons, but at the very least you should really get ahold of the SRD once its available just for the clarifications. If you need to find a new group to game with you may need the books so that you're playing by the same rules as them, and if nothing else, most people end up having to replace their core books after using them for a few years. When replacements become necessary, the revision will still be there.
Just out of curiosity, why would you want to pick up the one book that will most likely contain the least number of changes?
EricNoah
Adventurer
The 3.5 MM is the most alluring of the three new core books to me as well, Darrin. I think it's a) the monster tactics and b) updated monster stats and c) the rumored layout changes (if MM3.5 looks like Fiend Folio on the inside -- less cluttered, fewer instances of starting the stat block on one page and going onto the next, etc.) that are getting me interested in that book. It may become a monster manual I actually open and use during play (which is never the case with my current MM).
TalonComics
First Post
EricNoah said:I know a lot of people are going to stick with 3.0, and many cite the same reasons. The 3.5 rules will be available for free, so that makes the cost issue a little less of a factor but backward compatability and "why fix what ain't broke" are certainly legit reasons.
My added reason for not stepping up right away (if at all) will depend on what computer support will be available. It will also depend on how motivated my players are to buy new (or update their old) PHBs and learn new rules.
I think I predicted a while back that there would be a fairly noticible schism here on the boards. That'll be interesting to see how it pans out.
I'm curious how this is going to pan out as well. While I don't think it will be as drastic as the difference between 2E and 3E it should be interesting for a few months. After that, I bet quite a few nay sayers will switch as it's not much fun to be left behind with an out of print system while your friends are playing the current one.
As for me I'll be picking up the revised corebooks *and* converting my campaign. Not to mention now that the RPGA is free to play I plan on running RPGA events at the store close to a weekly basis. I'm pretty sure that will all be 3.5.
As long as you're having fun that's all that matters.
~D
Alzrius
The EN World kitten
Re: Re: I won't be switching to D&D 3.5e
Just to mention, I'm picking up all the revised books as soon as they hit the counter-top.
That said, I'm beginning to wonder (but not worry) about the the issue of 3.0-3.5 compatibility since there's going to be a Forgotten Realms Player's Guide created for the sole purpose of helping the Realms into 3.5E.
Baraendur said:
Just to mention, I'm picking up all the revised books as soon as they hit the counter-top.
That said, I'm beginning to wonder (but not worry) about the the issue of 3.0-3.5 compatibility since there's going to be a Forgotten Realms Player's Guide created for the sole purpose of helping the Realms into 3.5E.
TalonComics
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Alzrius said:
Dude, you're on the wagon remember?
~D
Darrin Drader
Explorer
Alzrius said:
Psst! Over here! I can sell you a 5 Oz. bag for $2. You got quarters? How about Yarn? Mmmm.... yarn.
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