If I were a grognard....

Yeah, I skipped 2E.

When it came out I felt a great sense of relief -- I could stop buying books and save some money. I was a bit of an OCD completist and felt that I had to own all the official books. After the utterly dreadful end-of-1E (post-Gygax) "Dungeoneer's Survival Guide" and "Wilderness Survival Guide", practically ruining my game, I was very happy to be done with new TSR publications.

Honestly, my gaming largely petered out for a number of reasons. I got back into it in a big way, with a good group of gaming friends a few months before 3E came out.
 

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roguerouge said:
I'm asking for advice from people who have rejected an edition of dungeons and dragons before.

Circa 1990 I didn't think I'd ever play D&D or AD&D again. I thought the games were hopelessly obsolete, & AD&D2e had removed more of the coolness than it had updated the game.

Sometime in the middle-1990s, I played a AD&D2e game on a lark. It was a blast! I found myself enjoying it so much more than all the "modern" games I had been playing. But further understanding would have to wait...

When 3e came out, I saw an awful lot of what I would've done if I had been given the task of updating D&D. (Something I'd given a fair amount of thought to.)

Over time, though, I became dissatisfied with it. Didn't quite know why. I re-examined the games I'd played during my anything-but-(A)D&D days. I investigated a lot of games that I'd never played before.

And I've never been a "one system" gamer. I found games that I enjoy.

I started reading some of the old stories by Gygax, Kuntz, Mornard, & others. I found that they made me want to game more than anything in a long time had. From Gygax, I saw a pointer to Dragonsfoot. I was fascinated. I had to find out why these people would still play the hopelessly obsolete AD&D.

This led me back to the D&D I started with: Basic/Expert D&D c. 1981. I'd always had a lot of respect for it. (My thoughts of creating an updated D&D always included stealing liberally from it.) I realized that was a game I wanted to play more than 3e and more than 1e.

I've also gained an appreciation of the original three little booklets.

Unlike before, I'm no longer one to think that I'll never play a system again. 3e isn't at the top of my games of choice, though. So, I didn't bother to update to 3.5.

I figure I'll buy a 4e PHB. I read a lot of things about it that I like. I read a lot of things about it that give me pause. As soon as someone in my group offers to run it, I'll break out the dice. I doubt I'll bother trying to run it myself, though. Too many other games I want to run, & I'd personally rather run classic D&D or original D&D instead.

What was your experience with that choice? Did you feel like you handled it well? Did it have particular positive or negative impacts on your gaming? Was it liberating? Did you feel left behind? Did you feel old?

I think my attitude of (A)D&D being obsolete was misguided. Maybe I missed out on some fun because of it, but the other games were fun too. I wouldn't trade those experiences, & I'm glad that I've never stuck too much with a single system. I think I'm a better player and GM because of that.

I don't really regret leaving 3.0/3.5 behind to the extent I have. No negative consequence. And I enjoyed the B/X campaign I ran recently more than the 3e campaigns I'd run. I didn't feel left behind or old because of it.

I didn't do so well when I played one session of a high-level 3.5 campaign recently. I just didn't know the system--core or expansions--well enough compared to the other players. But, I didn't mind too much. I don't really want to master that stuff, so I just did my best and enjoyed myself.

When I rediscovered B/X D&D, there was a moment when I almost said, "I wish I'd never bothered with AD&D." But then I realized that wasn't true. I had loads of fun with AD&D, & I wouldn't trade those experiences for anything, even if it isn't now my preferred edition of D&D either.

Well, that's my too-long, rambling story. For whatever it's worth.
 

awayfarer said:
Drat! You beat me to it!

[Edit: And by quite a large margin apparently.]

This song practically doesn't even need to be changed to work...

"Dear Wizards, you made many, many 4e fans.
I realize, of course, that it's no shame to be a fanboy.
But it's no great honor either!
So, what would have been so terrible if I stuck with OD&D?"

If I were a grognard,
Ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dum.
All day long I'd biddy biddy bum.
If I played OD&D(1974).
I wouldn't have to compute CRs.
Ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dum.
If I were a biddy biddy OD&D,
Yidle-diddle-didle-didle man.

I'd build a big tall dungeon with rooms by the dozen,
Right in the middle of the town.
A fine moathouse with real wooden floors below.
There would be one long staircase just going up,
And one even longer coming down,
And one more leading nowhere, just for show.

I'd fill my yard with orcs and ghouls and jellies and flumphs
For the town to see and hear.
Cursing just as noisily as they can.
And each loud "lukdar" and "yum" and "blubblub" and "fwoot"
Would land like a trumpet on the ear,
As if to say "Built by an OD&D man."

If I were a rich man,
Ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dum.
All day long I'd biddy biddy bum.
If I played OD&D(1974).
I wouldn't have to have bards.
Ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dum.
If I were a biddy biddy OD&D,
Yidle-diddle-didle-didle man.


... okay after that it starts to break down.
 

Piratecat said:
I agree with Crothian; we're talking about a fun game, not a lifestyle choice here.

Well, I'm sure if we dig deep enough online, we're bound to find someone who has "the soul of a gnome" and makes a lifestyle out of it. :heh:
 



The edition change was a good time to question my relationship with D&D and I think it's time to move on. I gave her the old "it's not you, it me" talk. So far it's been pretty liberating. Now if I can just convince my group when my 3.5 game ends next month.
 

A side note

There are game rules . . . and there are the printed projects of a publishing company. I'd say that if you are continuing to buy suppliments for a game, then you are technically supporting it, whether you actually play it or not.

I still love 3.5, and see myself playing it for a while. Yet, I haven't bought a single sourcebook or mini in at least a year (the last thing I bought was Complete Scoundrel, and before that, the Monster Manul III). Technically, my lack of financial support could be considered "rejection," even though I still actively play.

On the other hand, I'll probably buy the inital core 4th projects, and read through them. Yet, I don't see playing a 4th game for quite some time. Does this make me a grognard who refuses to play 4th, or a supporter via my $$$?
 

I skipped AD&D 2e, and dropped AD&D 1e. Didn't play or run any D&D for years. Moved to other systems. No, there were no negative effects. Came back with 3e, won't bother with 4e. No, there haven't been any negative effects. Can't foresee any, either. I don't know anyone who will be moving to 4e, so I guess that helps. :cool:

Grognard, though? Not really. I've used the term jokingly a few times, but I'm more likely to once again stick with other systems for a while*. I'm just really glad that these days there are so many amazingly cool RPGs out there. It's a fantastic time to be a roleplayer. :)


* Until I can try out 5e, no doubt. :p Even when I'm playing and/or running D&D though, I'll still be using other systems as well.
 

Shemeska said:
Well, I'm sure if we dig deep enough online, we're bound to find someone who has "the soul of a gnome" and makes a lifestyle out of it. :heh:


Don't speak to loud or Peter Jackson will hear you. Oh, wait, he has the soul of a hobbit. Nevermind.
 

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