D&D 5E If you use thunderstep but teleport less than 10 feet do you take damage?

[Maxperson]

That's very interesting, so I guess that settles the "ready Dispel Magic" question. Thank you, Swarmkeeper.

Not really. The rule that you can't aside, what I was suggesting is not targeting the caster, but rather targeting the effect as dispel magic is intended to do. If as @Lyxen says you can interrupt an instantaneous spell to perform a non-instantaneous action, then the rule that says instantaneous spells can't be dispelled because the effect is too brief is wrong. You can do it if you ready the action and interrupt the effect. Therefore, his interpretation is most likely wrong.

 

[Irlo]

Not really. The rule that you can't aside, what I was suggesting is not targeting the caster, but rather targeting the effect as dispel magic is intended to do. If as @Lyxen says you can interrupt an instantaneous spell to perform a non-instantaneous action, then the rule that says instantaneous spells can't be dispelled because the effect is too brief is wrong. You can do it if you ready the action and interrupt the effect. Therefore, his interpretation is most likely wrong.

Or perhaps it's that 5e rules are not rigorously logical and internally consistent.

 

[Maxperson]

Or perhaps it's that 5e rules are not rigorously logical and internally consistent.

I'm betting on him being wrong with his interpretation of being able to interrupt an instantaneous effect and just walk around before it continues.

 

[Irlo]

I'm betting on him being wrong with his interpretation of being able to interrupt an instantaneous effect and just walk around before it continues.

There are certainly other interpretations, and we can agree or disagree about them, but I'm not buying that there's a wrong one and a right one here.

Really, some parts of the rules support the idea of instant interupts. Other parts of the rules don't.

 

[James Gasik]

You can always tweet Sage Advice! Crawford will give you an answer, but likely not the one you were wanting.

EDIT: probably something that doesn't satisfy anyone, like, "you can set triggers for perceivable circumstances that aren't themselves actions, but spells cannot be broken down into atomic events, so in this case, the action will resolve after the teleport is completed and the damage is dealt".

EDIT 2: and probably cite Mage Slayer as an example.

 

[cbwjm]

Haven't read what anyone else has said or even if this thread is still talking about the original question, but I just read up on Thunder Step and I'd rule that the caster does not take damage as the thunder damage occurs right after they disappear, not reappear. So it's "Disappear - BOOM! - Reappear"

 

[James Gasik]

Welcome to the debate, cbwjm!

We kind of are on that topic still, but there's some back and forth about whether those are, in fact, atomic events that can be reacted to, or it just all simultaneously happens and the caster gets blasted as a consequence of trying to use the spell wrong.

And there's a running tangent about the Ready action and whether or not it can react to "disappear" "explode" "reappear" or if it can only react to the spell itself.

Probably not going to get any consensus on that any time soon, but it's been a learning experience.

 

[cbwjm]

Welcome to the debate, cbwjm!

We kind of are on that topic still, but there's some back and forth about whether those are, in fact, atomic events that can be reacted to, or it just all simultaneously happens and the caster gets blasted as a consequence of trying to use the spell wrong.

And there's a running tangent about the Ready action and whether or not it can react to "disappear" "explode" "reappear" or if it can only react to the spell itself.

Probably not going to get any consensus on that any time soon, but it's been a learning experience.

I did look back a bit after posting and noticed that it seemed to have moved on to readied actions and dispel magic.

 

[James Gasik]

Yeah so while debating on whether or not Readied actions can respond to an instantaneous magical effect, Maxperson was like "oh so I can ready Dispel Magic to counter a spell? Oh wait, I can't because it says I can't." Then I was like, can Dispel Magic counter a readied spell that hasn't been released yet?

Actually that brings up another question. If I ready a spell, when do I have to be counterspelled? When I ready it or when I actually release it, since I'm considered to have cast it when I Ready it?

 

[cbwjm]

Yeah so while debating on whether or not Readied actions can respond to an instantaneous magical effect, Maxperson was like "oh so I can ready Dispel Magic to counter a spell? Oh wait, I can't because it says I can't." Then I was like, can Dispel Magic counter a readied spell that hasn't been released yet?

Actually that brings up another question. If I ready a spell, when do I have to be counterspelled? When I ready it or when I actually release it, since I'm considered to have cast it when I Ready it?

That is a good question. If the spell is already cast and is now readied then I'd say that counterspell has missed its chance to counter it. It's not something that I would have even questioned before you asked, if it came up and someone said "I counterspell" I'd have let them.