immortals handbook

[Kavon]

As per various names, I've always found Satan overused. Lucifer sounds much fancier, and Samael doesn't roll off the tongue quite so well. Although I can see how the matchstick association could ruin the name Lucifer for you.

Hmm... Yeah, I can see why some people would have a problem with the name (though, Michael has the 'ael' thing too, and it's been used so often that the pronunciation goes easily enough). As far as I know, all the original angels have names ending with either 'iel' or 'ael'. Something to do with being of God or something like that. Samael was 'Poison of God' I think..

But yeah, I can see it now..

"I am Lucifer! Lord of Matchsti- er... Devils!!!"

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey U_K

Hi Kavon mate!

(while I was writing that question, it didn't even crossed my mind that the answer to the question would be a spoiler )

Everythings a spoiler, I just sometimes give in to you guys too easily.

Ah, ok. That's quite the difference, yeah.
How much increase in power are there between, say, an Elder One and an Old One?

I think I would like to keep the differences between the Cosmic Powers roughly similar.

I always liked the name Samael better than Lucifer

I think 'Luci' carries more gravitas.

Edit 2: Probably cause "lucifer" is Dutch for a match stick

 

[historian]

Hello Krust!

Heh heh! Heart of the Universe. I like that parallel.

I figured that you'd like that.

I think I fully understand the latest scaling through the first rank of sidereal to the last rank of eternal. I also understand that this means an effective boost in power for the lower rank supernals, as they would overlap in CR w/the eternals otherwise (logically speaking, I can't be sure of this point, as I only know where you previously had the 69th highest rank of divinity, and there would be room in between this ranking and where the current final rank of eternal would end). I also know that the highest rank of previously posted supernal would outstrip even the latest scaling rate (i.e., assuming CR 180 is the rough basis for the greater god, and each subsequent level scales at a rate of EL + 4--or CR * 2--, one still wouldn't reach the highest level of supernal if one went through 80 iterations of scaling).

My question is, will we see the maximum rank of supernal extended further and whether you can provide any insight into how you foresee the supernal template scaling?

I know, I know, I'm probabaly asking to be shot down, but I can't contain myself.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hello Krust!

Hiya mate!

I figured that you'd like that.

Speaking of comics did you see the cover of JLA*Avengers 3!?

http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6476

Click on the image for a larger version.

Let me just state this again for the record; this JLA*Avengers title is THE best comic I have EVER read! Its quite simply perfection in comic form.

...nuff said.

I think I fully understand the latest scaling through the first rank of sidereal to the last rank of eternal.

Well I wish you would explain it to me.

I also understand that this means an effective boost in power for the lower rank supernals, as they would overlap in CR w/the eternals otherwise (logically speaking, I can't be sure of this point, as I only know where you previously had the 69th highest rank of divinity, and there would be room in between this ranking and where the current final rank of eternal would end). I also know that the highest rank of previously posted supernal would outstrip even the latest scaling rate (i.e., assuming CR 180 is the rough basis for the greater god, and each subsequent level scales at a rate of EL + 4--or CR * 2--, one still wouldn't reach the highest level of supernal if one went through 80 iterations of scaling).

My question is, will we see the maximum rank of supernal extended further and whether you can provide any insight into how you foresee the supernal template scaling?

I know, I know, I'm probabaly asking to be shot down, but I can't contain myself.

Well I have revised the cosmic ranks to my satisfaction, my attention is currently fixed upon the Eternals and the Supernals. I am debating swopping a few things around to see which gels the best.

 

[historian]

Howdy Krust!

Speaking of comics did you see the cover of JLA*Avengers 3!?

http://newsarama.com/forums/showthr...=&threadid=6476

Click on the image for a larger version.

Let me just state this again for the record; this JLA*Avengers title is THE best comic I have EVER read! Its quite simply perfection in comic form.

I love crossovers!

...nuff said.

Go Stan!


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I think I fully understand the latest scaling through the first rank of sidereal to the last rank of eternal.
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Well I wish you would explain it to me.

I was speaking specifically in terms of how the math scaled, not the other issues which are yours to bang out. What can I say, I was aking for it.

Well I have revised the cosmic ranks to my satisfaction, my attention is currently fixed upon the Eternals and the Supernals. I am debating swopping a few things around to see which gels the best.

Cool, I'm all ears!

 

[Roman]

With regards to the 'Knowledge Skills', I would agree that beyond 50 ranks it simply looses its meaning. Judging from the difficulty tables in the DMG it seems to me that the effects of skills increase at an exponential rate with each point added and this of course becomes particularly pronounced at higher rank levels. Well, perhaps the effects are not exponential - I have not mathematically analysed them , but they definitely have increasing returns to scale.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Howdy Krust!

Hiya mate!

I love crossovers!

This is the mother of all crossovers!

Go Stan!

Excelsior!

I was speaking specifically in terms of how the math scaled, not the other issues which are yours to bang out. What can I say, I was asking for it.

Cool, I'm all ears!

...that actually gives me an idea for a new monster.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Roman mate!

With regards to the 'Knowledge Skills', I would agree that beyond 50 ranks it simply looses its meaning.

Absolutely. At that point we have to go beyond knowledge.

Judging from the difficulty tables in the DMG it seems to me that the effects of skills increase at an exponential rate with each point added and this of course becomes particularly pronounced at higher rank levels. Well, perhaps the effects are not exponential - I have not mathematically analysed them , but they definitely have increasing returns to scale.

What do (any of) you think of the Epic Level Handbooks extension of the Skill Tables?

 

[Roman]

What do (any of) you think of the Epic Level Handbooks extension of the Skill Tables?

Hmm, I have mixed feelings about that. I am somewhat resistant to allow skills to go into the mystical realm - I feel that is the preserve of the supernatural. Of course, such criticism would not apply to deities or other higher beings, as they are by definition supernatural.

 

[Alzrius]

What do (any of) you think of the Epic Level Handbooks extension of the Skill Tables?

Personally, I like them quite a bit. Opposite of Roman, I find it very fitting that at Epic levels there are things characters can do simply because they're "just that good". For example, having a character who can meet the DC 60 Balance check to run across water seems fitting because, in my mind, you're eventually going to meet, in a fantasy game, characters who can do fantastic things (in certain areas) without having to rely on magic for it. Did Li Mu Bai in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon seem like he was using a supernatural ability to be able to float through the air as he did? Would he then no longer be as impressive if you put him in an anti-magic field?

This seems to be rather close to the heart of the IH, in my opinion. Gods are beings who can do incredible things, and they don't necessarily need magic to do them. A god is still a supreme being, anti-magic field or no. Having epic skill checks that can let you perform fantastic maneuvers seems like an extension of this.

As an aside, I think the DC limit for Knowledge checks should be 60, not 50, for two reasons. 1) As someone pointed out, you can hit a DC 50 by 20th level. That alone means that that DC isn't Epic. It's high, and very impressive, but its still something you can do in the limits of the 1-20 level range. 2) DC 60 is a point of note for a lot of the extended skill checks in the ELH. Having that be the same in the IH creates a stronger sense of compatibility (which would be nice), making it easier for DMs who want to use both to any degree.