immortals handbook

[CRGreathouse]

What do (any of) you think of the Epic Level Handbooks extension of the Skill Tables?

I think that it is, quite possibly, the best part of the entire Epic Level Handbook. I love to see the scaling, and going to the 'next level' beyond whatever we can do/easily imagine fits my idea of epic levels perfectly.

I would be disappointed to see a fundamental change to the idea of epic skill checks, though modifying the particular DCs wouldn't neccessarily be a bad thing.

 

[Yair]

I think that it is, quite possibly, the best part of the entire Epic Level Handbook. I love to see the scaling, and going to the 'next level' beyond whatever we can do/easily imagine fits my idea of epic levels perfectly.

I would be disappointed to see a fundamental change to the idea of epic skill checks, though modifying the particular DCs wouldn't neccessarily be a bad thing.

I'll second that.

 

[Melkor Lord Of ALL!]

Greetings, O Great Krusty One! Some things I would love to know:

- What is Lucifer`s Divine Status?

-Same about Lilith, I hope she is a Perversive Deity, maybe even a bit like Slaanesh?

-What other interesting Mythological Beings are in IH that you can reveal?

- I am interested in your Templates for mortals before Hero-Deity( wasn`t Prophet one of them?) What are their CR modifiers? How similar they are to FR Chosen?

-Finally do you have something like a Divine Code of Conduct( for example, in what cases Gods can send Avatars or even interfere themselves with mortal affairs without starting Divine War or angering Pantheon Leader)?

-And Good luck with your work! I hope I will see it in my lifetime!

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Roman mate!

Hmm, I have mixed feelings about that. I am somewhat resistant to allow skills to go into the mystical realm - I feel that is the preserve of the supernatural. Of course, such criticism would not apply to deities or other higher beings, as they are by definition supernatural.

Many of the skills become wholly redundant if they don't eventually extend into the supernatural, and even though it can initially seem incongruous; feats already encoach upon the supernatural long before skills ever will.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Alzrius matey!

Personally, I like them quite a bit. Opposite of Roman, I find it very fitting that at Epic levels there are things characters can do simply because they're "just that good".

I think creating epic levels without incorporating the supernatural really puts non spellcasting classes at far too much of a disadvantage.

For example, having a character who can meet the DC 60 Balance check to run across water seems fitting because, in my mind, you're eventually going to meet, in a fantasy game, characters who can do fantastic things (in certain areas) without having to rely on magic for it. Did Li Mu Bai in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon seem like he was using a supernatural ability to be able to float through the air as he did? Would he then no longer be as impressive if you put him in an anti-magic field?

The problem with the Epic Skills for me was that to walk on branches Li Mu Bai would have needed to be upwards of 50th-level which didn't really seem feasible.

Personally I see things like this working much better as epic feats to be honest.

This seems to be rather close to the heart of the IH, in my opinion. Gods are beings who can do incredible things, and they don't necessarily need magic to do them. A god is still a supreme being, anti-magic field or no. Having epic skill checks that can let you perform fantastic maneuvers seems like an extension of this.

One way I like to apply EX or SU abilities for deities is on an internal and external manner. So internal abilities are almost always EX etc.

As an aside, I think the DC limit for Knowledge checks should be 60, not 50, for two reasons. 1) As someone pointed out, you can hit a DC 50 by 20th level. That alone means that that DC isn't Epic. It's high, and very impressive, but its still something you can do in the limits of the 1-20 level range. 2) DC 60 is a point of note for a lot of the extended skill checks in the ELH. Having that be the same in the IH creates a stronger sense of compatibility (which would be nice), making it easier for DMs who want to use both to any degree.

Interesting points, I'll bear them in mind. Thanks for the feedback mate.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi CRGreathouse and Yair mateys!

I think that it is, quite possibly, the best part of the entire Epic Level Handbook. I love to see the scaling, and going to the 'next level' beyond whatever we can do/easily imagine fits my idea of epic levels perfectly.

I would be disappointed to see a fundamental change to the idea of epic skill checks, though modifying the particular DCs wouldn't neccessarily be a bad thing.

Noted. Appreciate the feedback guys.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Greetings, O Great Krusty One! Some things I would love to know:

Hi Melkor mate, always nice to hear from you.

- What is Lucifer`s Divine Status?

Intermediate God.

-Same about Lilith, I hope she is a Perversive Deity, maybe even a bit like Slaanesh?

Well I don't want to encroach upon Book of Erotic Fantasy territory dude.

-What other interesting Mythological Beings are in IH that you can reveal?

I don't want to reveal any. I am looking towards beings who are not generally tied to a pantheon, so that will probably colour my final choices. Surtur is one whose in there, but that may change.

- I am interested in your Templates for mortals before Hero-Deity (wasn`t Prophet one of them?) What are their CR modifiers? How similar they are to FR Chosen?

Disciples will be like 'Chosen of' from FR.

Prophets are more like 'Champions of'.

I'm not revealling the CRs.

-Finally do you have something like a Divine Code of Conduct (for example, in what cases Gods can send Avatars or even interfere themselves with mortal affairs without starting Divine War or angering Pantheon Leader)?

Yes I have all this handled, and if I do say so myself its bloody brilliant, one of the best bits of the book I have done.

-And Good luck with your work!

Thanks mate!

I hope I will see it in my lifetime!

Oi! Cheeky monkey!

 

[Roman]

Seems I am 'outvoted' on the epic skills, oh well. In any case, U_K, when do you expect WotC will make the Epic Handbook and Deities & Demigods OGL? Do you foresee the possibility that they will not do so at all?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Roman mate!

Seems I am 'outvoted' on the epic skills, oh well.

But do you not see how skills would become utterly pointless at epic levels, if they didn't become supernatural!?

In any case, U_K, when do you expect WotC will make the Epic Handbook and Deities & Demigods OGL? Do you foresee the possibility that they will not do so at all?

At this point I don't care. I think I can go ahead without either, I'll just have to be circumspect with regards epic feats. I just need two-three weeks working on this stuff without distraction (notably v4) and I'll have it ready.

 

[Leopold]

. I just need two-three weeks working on this stuff without distraction (notably v4) and I'll have it ready.