immortals handbook

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

I wouldn't bother. I think most people who would buy the IH anyway are the sort that would want to do it ground-up anyway. The Iconics should privide enough of a guide.

Appreciate the feedback mate!

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hello Krust!

Hey historian mate!

Depends on your definition of infinity.

Interesting point, my loose theory is that an omnipotent being is necessarily infinite in power, but an infinitely powerful being isn't necessarily omnipotent (part of this is, of course, comic book logic, but it is also, at least by analogy, supported by certain mathematical theories).

As I see it 'infinity' is determined by space and therefore depends on the extent of how much you encompass.

 

[-Eä-]

Hey, people! Long time, no see (or what they say) (-;

It is amazing that the WPS (IH)-threads are still as active as they used to be, but I guess that's the way it is with a system like this - you will want it - even after you're finished with a campaign, story or the like.

Well... I thought I'd just offer my stance on infinity.

To know what one means with infinity, one must define what aspect it is an infinity of. For instance, you may talk of infinity of all three dimensions (negative or positive) of three-dimensional space. The "infinity" of a three-dimensional space is the space itself.

If being encompasses the space itself, and has power to do anything within that space, it is omnipotent in that space, but its omnipotence may perhaps not extend to - for instance - another plane (which is an entirely different space). Therefore the being which is omnipotent in its own space, may not be omnipotent with regard to some larger space, a space the smaller space may or may not be a subspace of.

So what is then the meaning of an infinitely powerful being which is not omnipotent? I have no idea, really, but it is an interesting concept. Here are some ideas:
The infinitely powerful being may for instance not sense the entire space, but where his senses reach, everything is possible.
Another posibility is that the being is omnipotent in its own space, but not in regard to some other space.

 

[Paragon]

Hey krust!
I hate to rehash subjects but it has been awhile since it was disscussed. What was the final decision on the magic system that you will be using? I'm guessing since ELH is not SRD'd will you work up your own for epic/divine lvl spell-casting?
thanks for the info and all the work, don't let em' get you down!

 

[historian]

That's an interesting post Eä. I hear you.

The idea of the multiple infinites came up when I was thinking about 3 dimensional space (or 4 dimensional or whatever) and that space being potentially infinite. If it's infinite, then it seems, at least theoretically possible that it could contain multiple infinite beings (or maybe not). Because you could only logically have one omnipotent, i.e., a being who could do literally anything (having two omnipotents would be a contradiction, although some might point out that literal omnipotence itself is self-contradicting), it would be impossible for any two of the multiple infinites to be truly omnipotent.

In any event, that's my basic thought process, but I could flesh it out further if unclear.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey, people! Long time, no see (or what they say) (-;

Hey Eä mate!

Always nice to hear from you; I trust your exam went well? By the way you were right about Return of the King; it was breathtaking to behold.

It is amazing that the WPS (IH)-threads are still as active as they used to be, but I guess that's the way it is with a system like this - you will want it - even after you're finished with a campaign, story or the like.

I appreciate the interest from all quarters.

Well... I thought I'd just offer my stance on infinity.

To know what one means with infinity, one must define what aspect it is an infinity of.

Exactly!

For instance, you may talk of infinity of all three dimensions (negative or positive) of three-dimensional space. The "infinity" of a three-dimensional space is the space itself.

If being encompasses the space itself, and has power to do anything within that space, it is omnipotent in that space, but its omnipotence may perhaps not extend to - for instance - another plane (which is an entirely different space). Therefore the being which is omnipotent in its own space, may not be omnipotent with regard to some larger space, a space the smaller space may or may not be a subspace of.

So what is then the meaning of an infinitely powerful being which is not omnipotent? I have no idea, really, but it is an interesting concept. Here are some ideas:
The infinitely powerful being may for instance not sense the entire space, but where his senses reach, everything is possible.
Another posibility is that the being is omnipotent in its own space, but not in regard to some other space.

I like this last one.

However, I don't want to spoil any surprises for anyone so I'll keep my own opinions obscure for now.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey krust!

Hey Paragon mate!

I hate to rehash subjects but it has been awhile since it was disscussed.

Fire away dude!

What was the final decision on the magic system that you will be using? I'm guessing since ELH is not SRD'd will you work up your own for epic/divine lvl spell-casting?

Yes. However I have designed my magic system in such a way that you can easily convert any spell to the Epic system in a matter of moments.

thanks for the info and all the work,

My pleasure mate!

don't let em' get you down!

They won't, although Return of the King did a good job in recharging my batteries lets say.

 

[-Eä-]

I understand what you say, hitorian, and I think I agree. At least mathematicaly, it's possible to have multiple infinities within a space, so there is no point in neglecting the existence in the real world.


My exam went excellent (-: However, it is only a formality, and I don't place particularily large weights on exams, generally.

I'm glad that you liked the Return of the King. I'm already looking forward to seeing it again. Do you think it is the best of the trilogy? I think it is, but not by much. The Fellowship was also excellent.

 

[historian]

I understand what you say, hitorian, and I think I agree. At least mathematicaly, it's possible to have multiple infinities within a space, so there is no point in neglecting the existence in the real world.

Yeah, it's interesting in theory at least, although it may not have much practical application. Then again, with the robustness of Krust's system, you never know.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Eä mate!

I understand what you say, hitorian, and I think I agree. At least mathematicaly, it's possible to have multiple infinities within a space, so there is no point in neglecting the existence in the real world.

What if one being had Infinite Strength and another had Infinite Intelligence.

My exam went excellent (-:

Great news!

However, it is only a formality,

Thats what I like to hear - positive thinking! Keep it up, you'll go places!

and I don't place particularily large weights on exams, generally.

Nevertheless, never renege on a chance to test or push yourself.

I'm glad that you liked the Return of the King.

Thats an understatement, I thought it was FAN-TASTIC!

I'm already looking forward to seeing it again.

Me too. Not to mention the extra 90 minutes in the extended DVD version.

Do you think it is the best of the trilogy?

Definately. All my friends (no roleplayers) who went with me thought it was easily the best of the three.

I think it is, but not by much. The Fellowship was also excellent.

I would say King; Fellowship; then Towers.

For me elements in Towers didn't quite hit the same spot as the quasi-animated version; where theres a palpable sense of defeat just before Gandalfs cavalry charge. I thought that was a missed opportunity by Jackson. Though thats the only bit of the three movies I can really fault.