Invisiblity/Hiding/Attacking/Sneak Attacks

[malichai]

If you're invisible (regular invis, not improved invis) and are attacking someone with rapid fire who's within 30 feet, would you get sneak attack on both of your attacks, or just your first attack? How about if you have multiple attacks due to level? Sneak damage on all attacks that hit? You get a bonus to hit when you're invisible and attack, is this for each attack that round, or only the first attack?

Invisibility grants you a 50% miss chance when someone is trying to hit you, does the invisible party get any AC bonuses? What does an opponent have to roll/do to even attempt to attack the invisible person? Listen check or spot check or something? Under the spot skill it says you can find an invisible opponent (or something to that affect) who's "near" you on a roll of a 20. How near is near? DM call?

Thanks

 

[AZRAEL66]

Any time the target would be denied his/her dexterity bonus to AC, you deal sneak attack damage (spec. ex. uncanny dodge)

p.47, phb.

yes, you deal hideous amounts of damage.
unless ur opponent turns out to be an elemental, undead or construct.

 

[AZRAEL66]

You get a bonus to hit when you're invisible and attack, is this for each attack that round, or only the first attack?

table 8-8 Attack Roll Modifiers (p.132 phb)
applies to all circumstances mentioned.

you get the same +2 circumstance bonus on all attacks while attacking from invisibility as the +1 for being on higher ground.

 

[AZRAEL66]

concealment differs from cover.
cover grants bonuses to AC.
concealment gives a miss chance to attackers.

All your other questions are answered in p.78 in the DMG.

near is 30 FT.

spot check to notice the existence of invisible person (dc 20)
spot check if person is holding still (dc 30)
(+20 dc) to spot check if you are trying to pinpoint his/her
location.

invisible person still has 10% concealment thus giving the attacker a 50% miss chance.

 

[Geoff Watson]

First attack only, since you become visible immediately after your attack. (Assuming no other factors that cause them to lose their Dex bonus.)

No AC bonus (isn't the 50% miss chance enough for you?).
Listen check, or Spot check, detection spells, See Invisibility, blindsight, etc.
Use the normal -1 per 10' distance on the Spot check.

Geoff.

 

[Bonedagger]

You get a bonus to hit when you're invisible and attack, is this for each attack that round, or only the first attack?

The invisibilty drops once you attack. So when you have made your first attack (That round) you are no longer invisibel and your opponent should very well be aware of you/your movements No longer a bonus from being invisible.

 

[Stalker0]

I'd say your visible after the first attack, but would the others be instantly able to react to you, or would they have to wait to there initiative to be able to consider you a threat they can avoid?

 

[Dr. Zoom]

They would immediately get the benefit of their dex bonus to AC unless they are flat-footed.

 

[kreynolds]

If you're invisible (regular invis, not improved invis) and are attacking someone with rapid fire who's within 30 feet, would you get sneak attack on both of your attacks, or just your first attack? How about if you have multiple attacks due to level? Sneak damage on all attacks that hit? You get a bonus to hit when you're invisible and attack, is this for each attack that round, or only the first attack?

You would get sneak attack damage on all of the attacks in the full-attack action. If you took a standard attack, the Invisibility effect would fall immediately after. If you took a full-attack, the Invisibility effect wouldn't drop until after the last attack (end of the full-attack action) Here's a Sage reply on this...

I have a question about the invisibility spell. The description states that if you attack a target, the spell is cancelled. An invisible attacker always receives a bonus to hit a target, unless they have blindsight or something similar. So my question is this; If you are under the effects of invisibility, and you have three attacks at +16/+11/+6, do you gain the usual bonus to hit with the first attack, all of the attacks, or none of the attacks?

All of them. (Note you have to use the full attack action to make all those attacks, so your opponent must be close by.)

Note, this is very likely to start a firestorm. However, I have seen some compelling arguments that lean towards "invisibility drops after the initial attack, regardless if you hit or not". Not compelling enough to personally change my mind, of course, but compelling none-the-less.

 

[Elder-Basilisk]

[Begin Firestorm] The Sage is wrong on this one. The Spellsword's Channel Spell ability applies to one attack (if the attack misses the spell is wasted). A paladin's smite evil ability and the destruction domain smite also apply to one normal melee attack. Are we going to start allowing all of these things to apply to an entire full attack action of iterative attacks? I didn't think so. How about the Defenders of the Faith spell Divine Sacrifice. Should a character be able to sacrifice 10 hit points for +5d6 damage to every iterative attack in a round?

In both invisibility and these other abilities, the bonus applies to one attack and then dissappears. It's inconsistent to say that the invisibility "denied dex bonus, +2 to hit" benefit applies to all of the iterative attacks in a round but a Paladin's smite evil doesn't. [End Firestorm]