Irreconcilable differences(Forked Thread: When did I stop being WotC's...)

[The Little Raven]

Objection, your honor.

Overruled.

The wizard/priest/encounter/psionic decks, and the deck of magical items, etc were not random distribution to cause some rarity model to make the individual cards themselves collectible.

Neither are the Power Card decks that are on the schedule, nor are the Power Cards to be included in the D&D Miniatures Heroes sets.

The old decks and minis were like the dungeon tiles. They were fixed products that anyone could buy and get the exact same thing.

So are the new Power Decks, as well as the upcoming D&D Miniatures Heroes sets. The only randomization element will be in the Monster Manual sets, but to a smaller degree than the previous DDM game.

CMG and these power cards for non-fixed minis tie directly to Magic and CCGs because the collectible aspect making the product a gamble to know what you are going to get.

Well, if the cards were randomized, you might have a point, but they aren't, since you know what you are getting.

I just wanted to point that out before people lump all fixed model accessories as comparable to CCG/CMG products, because they are not even the same type of thing.

Non-randomized Power Card decks are exactly the same type of thing as non-randomized Spell Card decks.

 

[Treebore]

This thread and Wilders thread are just more examples of why people just need to accept reality. No game is perfect for everyone. No game whatsoever.

Its much better for us all to accept this fact about our "favorite", and just talk about things we do like. If you love 3E, stay out of 4E threads. If you love 4E stay out of 3E threads, etc...

It would be best if your like me, accept the strengths and weaknesses of every edition and like them all anyways. I would say love, but I cannot say I loved 3E or 4E, but they do have things I like.

Its all role playing, the difference is only in how we go about doing it, and there is no reason to fight over that other than simply wanting to feel like what you do is better then what someone else does. Its only better for you and those you game with.

Thats why I play the games I play with the people I play. We like things those of you who play 3E and 4E don't. Does that mean we play a better game than anyone else? For us, we do. Just because we love it doesn't mean everyone else will, or should.

So people need to realize when you fight about which edition of D&D is best, your really saying the way you do things is the way everyone should do them. That is simply not the case, and never will be.

There are people who love True 20, D20 modern, 1E D&D, 2E D&D, 3E D&D, 4E D&D, Castles and Crusades, OD&D, whatever it is that Diaglo runs, and a whole bunch of other RPG's.

Why a gamer, of all people, insists on fighting over who's game is better is beyond me. We are all targets of people who like to label us for playing "that evil game", yet too many of us insist on coming to this board and engaging in their own brand of the same mentality.

We are gamers, people. We should not be a group that engages in angry "my game is better than your game" arguments. We all love RPG's, that is what should be uniting us, not being used as yet another excuse to discriminate against each other.

We have enough discrimination to deal with in the world, lets quit adding to it. Lets show that there is a group of people who can rise above such hatred causing behavior and allow ourselves to be united by our love of RPG's, not separated by it.

 

[thecasualoblivion]

Objection, your honor.

The wizard/priest/encounter/psionic decks, and the deck of magical items, etc were not random distribution to cause some rarity model to make the individual cards themselves collectible.

These cards, unlike Spellfire, were not bundled in a fashion similar to baseball or collector cards and therefore should be striken from the record as evidence otherwise we might as well state that dice pencils and character sheets sold for the game and any other non-collectible accessory follows the same principe of the CCG model.



The old decks and minis were like the dungeon tiles. They were fixed products that anyone could buy and get the exact same thing. CMG and these power cards for non-fixed minis tie directly to Magic and CCGs because the collectible aspect making the product a gamble to know what you are going to get.

I just wanted to point that out before people lump all fixed model accessories as comparable to CCG/CMG products, because they are not even the same type of thing.

Umm... 4E power cards are fixed. The power card sets that they are releasing in 2009 are complete fixed sets just like the AD&D ones. The cards in the minis are also fixed, as are the minis. If you get the pack with three martial heroes, you get a set of martial power cards. Its fixed. They(WotC) have said exactly this.

 

[Set]

Oh, the obligatory Magic reference to get a chuckle out of your other anti-4e buddies. How refreshing and original of you, Irda Ranger. What's your coup de grace going to be, the obligatory "4e IZ WOW HUR HUR" claim?

I don't care for 4E one little bit, but if they made a D&D version of the world of Magic: the Gathering, I'd buy it. It's a pretty fascinating sounding world. I have no idea why some feel that a reference to Magic: the Gathering or World of Warcraft, two phenomenally successful financial juggernauts of fantasy, count as insults. Is calling someone rich and successful beyond the dreams of avarice an insult? Cause I'm ready to be insulted all the way to the bank, shower me with the money and critical success!

I've also played World of Warcraft (boring, moved on), and if any edition of D&D manages to capture that sort of lightning, then more power to them. I may not be playing it, but I'll be glad to hear that they've found a way to tap into the next generation and that D&D will survive, even if it's using a rules system that doesn't interest me.

Same with White Wolf and their system. I'll buy any book that has Aberrant, Trinity or Adventure! on the cover, and own pretty much everything that was written for Vampire: the Masquerade, Mage: the Ascension, Wraith: the Oblivion and Kindred of the East as well, despite not caring much for the d10 rules mechanic.

If 4E comes out with some stuff I want to read, such as FDP's adaptation of the Scarred Lands setting, I'll buy it to read, and adapt anything I want to use for my own 3.5/Pathfinder games.

 

[Rykion]

Objection, your honor.

The wizard/priest/encounter/psionic decks, and the deck of magical items, etc were not random distribution to cause some rarity model to make the individual cards themselves collectible.

The power card that WotC is planning to put out aren't collectible either. That is why comparing them to the old spell decks makes sense.

 

[justanobody]

You stated that it was not necessary to sign up for a digital service to play 3e, which strongly implies that it is necessary to sign up for a digital service to play 4e.

I didn't imply squat, I just listed more differences from 3rd's birthing and 4th's.

Feel free to read all the forums on the internet and find for yourself who said it.

I just listed a few more differences that were found. Don't add context that never appear, putting words into my mouth, in the post.

Or are you telling me you haven't read people say any of those things before and think I am the first one to say it and think it originated from em and therefore I feel it to be true?

I get a list with beer on it to buy for a party, so I must drink beer when I check out at the store because I bought it. Funny thing I don't drink, it was just another item on a list.

So keep your assumptions of implication to yourself.

If you are going to list changes in things said about when 4rd came out and what is being said as 4th comes out, then you should list all the gripes people have to compare the views of the tiems and decisions. Ergo, I offered a few more things to that list.

Overruled.

You just agreed with everything I wrote, but did it in an arguing manner.

I said fixed v non-fixed (random) and you quoted the exact things I said were were as fixed, and random as random.

Umm... 4E power cards are fixed. The power card sets that they are releasing in 2009 are complete fixed sets just like the AD&D ones. The cards in the minis are also fixed, as are the minis. If you get the pack with three martial heroes, you get a set of martial power cards. Its fixed. They(WotC) have said exactly this.

I thought those cards were canceled like Martial Powers in January....either way the monster power cards are NOT fixed for the non-fixed monsters in the Delve Monsters sets/

1 large rare fixed monster
4 other monsters random
2 common
1 uncommon
1 rare

Each with power cards. These power cards will NOT appear in the books but be new, and MAY appear in later books, and will be included in the Character Builder program and DDI Compendium. There are two different types of these power cards....

 

[The Little Raven]

That's okay if you don't see it - I do.

Really? Can you please point out threads on this forum that are 3e/d20 and feature 4e fans (like myself) going in there and calling people things like "3tards," broadly insulting the entire player base of the game by implying a lower degree of attention-span, intelligence or ability to be creative or saying things like "3e is defiling Gygax's corpse?" Or make the claim that 3e is not D&D?

I, personally, never see such a thing, because I, personally, don't go into 3e topics because I'm not particularly interested in the game.

 

[thecasualoblivion]

Really? Can you please point out threads on this forum that are 3e/d20 and feature 4e fans (like myself) going in there and calling people things like "3tards," broadly insulting the entire player base of the game by implying a lower degree of attention-span, intelligence or ability to be creative or saying things like "3e is defiling Gygax's corpse?" Or make the claim that 3e is not D&D?

I, personally, never see such a thing, because I, personally, don't go into 3e topics because I'm not particularly interested in the game.

Maybe "insulting 3E/d20 and its fans" consists of posting in 4E/non-edition threads that you prefer 4E over 3E/d20 and stating why.

 

[The Little Raven]

I didn't imply squat, I just listed more differences from 3rd's birthing and 4th's.

If "Did 3rd have the requirement to sign up for online services to play?" is one of the "differences" you were listing, then that is directly implying that a difference between 3e and 4e is that 4e has a requirement to sign up for online services to play.

Do your little semantic song and dance all you want, but if you were supposedly just listing factual differences, then you were directly implying something that is not true.

Feel free to read all the forums on the internet and find for yourself who said it.

Other forums have no bearing on this one. You said it on this forum, which is where I post, so I am addressing your post here.

I just listed a few more differences that were found.

How is "Did 3rd have the requirement to sign up for online services to play?" a difference from 4e? Neither requires signing up with an online service to play, so there is no difference.

Or are you telling me you haven't read people say any of those things before and think I am the first one to say it and think it originated from em and therefore I feel it to be true?

So, you're just regurgitating falsehoods, then? Razz, is that you?

So keep your assumptions of implication to yourself.

If you don't want people reacting to your posts, then don't post them in a publicly accessible forum. If you don't want people refuting your regurgitated falsehoods, spend a little time fact-checking.

 

[Henry]

I thought those cards were canceled like Martial Powers in January....either way the monster power cards are NOT fixed for the non-fixed monsters in the Delve Monsters sets/

1 large rare fixed monster
4 other monsters random
2 common
1 uncommon
1 rare

Each with power cards. These power cards will NOT appear in the books but be new, and MAY appear in later books, and will be included in the Character Builder program and DDI Compendium. There are two different types of these power cards....

The power cards with the PC minis sets are not random, and the monster packs will be random, but they will be packaged with stat cards, not power cards.

D&D Miniatures Changes Announcement


Not that I'll like 'em any more or less... Just too darned expensive, still!