Irreconcilable differences(Forked Thread: When did I stop being WotC's...)

[justanobody]

Here is your original post which caused all this trouble. Notice the phrase "Did 3rd have the requirement to sign up for online services to play".

Which people seem to continue to miss that last line that sums up the entire post.

Basically it boils down to the more things change, the more they stay the same. People don't like the changes.

They want to take a sample of the post and run with it rather than looking at the overall context. Such are forums.

I think you are the first to include the last part of the post in a quote to acknowledge it as being part of it. I am not interested in going back to see if that is true, but it jsut seems that way. That last part still remains true.

New things happen, ergo change in the way things changed. So new things will be complained about.

So the more things change, the more they remain the same....

 

[thecasualoblivion]

Which people seem to continue to miss that last line that sums up the entire post.



They want to take a sample of the post and run with it rather than looking at the overall context. Such are forums.

I think you are the first to include the last part of the post in a quote to acknowledge it as being part of it. I am not interested in going back to see if that is true, but it jsut seems that way. That last part still remains true.

New things happen, ergo change in the way things changed. So new things will be complained about.

So the more things change, the more they remain the same....

People weren't responding to the entire post. They were responding to your specific statement implying that 4E required you to pay for an online service in order to play. A statement that is provably incorrect.

 

[justanobody]

Why do you keep assuming that the monster cards are going to have random new monster powers? If the Dungeon Delve book does introduce new powers, I suspect they will appear in the book itself.

I don't. Note the " " at the end of that sentence that includes a forced carriage return when viewing the post that is not there when you quoted it and in edit mode, due to the table widths from the skyscraper advertisement along the side of the page that causes the width of the page view to differ from the width of the edit page when typing.

<- Denotes I was sad that monsters would not get the new powers I was hoping for, as pointed out to me by Henry. (Was it Henry of Umbran? Whomever....)

People weren't responding to the entire post. They were responding to your specific statement implying that 4E required you to pay for an online service in order to play. A statement that is provably incorrect.

So the more things change, the more they remain the same....therein lies the problem.

 

[The Little Raven]

It's certainly enough to make one feel unwelcome.

I'm not particularly concerned when unsubstantiated claims made in an attempt to disparage the current edition are made by people who have a long history of disparaging said edition, usually in the form of hyperbole and outright falsehoods. If there was any substance to such claims, then by all means, actually present it. However, repeating the same unsubstantiated claim again and again doesn't actually give it substance.

Let's see a 3e thread in which a 4e fan broadly insults all 3e fans by suggesting things about their intellectual capabilities, attention span, ages, or maturity, 'cause there are plenty of 4e threads in which 3e (and earlier) fans broadly insult all 4e fans by suggesting they aren't smart enough for a complex game, or have an attention deficit disorder, or are all 12-year-old Pokemon fans, or are just interested in OMG SUPERPOWERZ ARE TEH R0XX0RZ!

I see 4e fans getting sick of it and standing up to that crap, and then we have people like ProfessorCirno acting like you're all victims.

And to be clear, Irda, I'm not lumping you in with those people I have a problem with. While I do have some issues with claims you've made, you normally back them up with something of substance.

 

[Rykion]

I don't. Note the " " at the end of that sentence that includes a forced carriage return when viewing the post that is not there when you quoted it and in edit mode, due to the table widths from the skyscraper advertisement along the side of the page that causes the width of the page view to differ from the width of the edit page when typing.

<- Denotes I was sad that monsters would not get the new powers I was hoping for, as pointed out to me by Henry. (Was it Henry of Umbran? Whomever....)

After rereading your post I'm not sure how I missed that. Maybe I need glasses.

 

[Irda Ranger]

And provided no evidence to support such a prediction. I could say "I predict that the sky will turn to marshmallows next week," without providing any support for it, and everyone would be perfectly within reason to call it ridiculous.

The only evidence I saw presented was by you, which was a series of accessories that have been around for a longtime. So, excuse me if I believe a prediction to be ridiculous when it is predicated on behavior from the past which has never brought the prediction to fruition before.

They have been around a long time, but with each edition of D&D they become more tightly integrated into the core mechanisms, and more necessary for efficient play. I could play AD&D while hiking down a trail without fudging very much at all. I'd have to fudge much more to do that in 4E.

I guess the only way I would "present evidence" in a way that would satisfy you would be if I listed out every rule in 4E (along with its previous edition analogues) to show you the progression, but I'm not going to. You can read them for yourself.

I would think that a system (AD&D) that provides its measurements of both movement and distance in a form (inches) that would require a measurement device to accurately use is just as close as one which requires a grid.

IMO, you are wrong. There's basically two ranges in AD&D - melee, and ranged. Most spells and missile weapons have a far greater range than the size of a combat. The only thing that had to be mentally measured was movement and some spells. 3E introduced AOOs and moving through threatened squares. 4E has short-range teleports, blasts, auras, shifts, pushes, OAs, etc. IMO, it's an 8 rather than a 3 on a scale of 1-10.

Of course it's possible the trend could reverse course back towards OD&D/AD&D-level dependence (low), but ExploderWizard posited that instead it would keep going in the same direction it's been going for 34 years and eventually "pass over" into pure skirmish. That's not dumb or ridiculous.

So that's my evidence. But of course you are free to look at the same evidence and see otherwise (as you evidently do). I can only lead you to water, as they say.

 

[ExploderWizard]

Because it is.

No more ridiculous than stating that all card content will appear in hard copy elsewhere without knowing for sure.

And provided no evidence to support such a prediction. I could say "I predict that the sky will turn to marshmallows next week," without providing any support for it, and everyone would be perfectly within reason to call it ridiculous.

Thats ridiculous.

Let it be known in the four corners of these lands that I am magnanimous to even my foes!

Your foes? Are you a person or a supervillan? I don't have foes here that I am aware of, merely folks that have differing opinions of topics that I find to be of interest. I am more than content to wait it out and see what happens.

Just as a curiosity, if the game goes in the direction that I think it might, why does that get you so worked up?

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

And people just have to keep on insisting on who is right and wrong.

No, they're not!

 

[ExploderWizard]

No, they're not!

OK....................XP for you!! That was funny

 

[justanobody]

After rereading your post I'm not sure how I missed that. Maybe I need glasses.

It happens as we get older.