D&D 5E (2014) Is It Impossible To Benefit From 'One With Shadows'?

[CapnZapp]

Okay, Jester, but most rules needs tweaking when transposed between editions.

 

[Xeviat]

Okay, Jester, but most rules needs tweaking when transposed between editions.

The only real change is that hiding wasn't an action in 4th; it was at the end of a move action.


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[Xeviat]

For this issue, and invisibility in general, I'd allow for a free stealth check to hide.


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[mellored]

Get in a wagon, put some cover over you, hide, turn invisible, then have an ally remove the cover. Now have an ally cart you around.

Mounts also work.

 

[Cognomen's Cassowary]

. . . ans a bonus action counts as an Action.

News to me.

Anyway, as someone else said, it's not really an ability to be used in combat.

 

[Ganymede81]

Of course, RAI might have been for it to end with any non-Hide Action.

Or presumably mental actions, such as taking a search action to notice someone being stealthy, or merely looking around.

 

[Kobold Stew]

Invisibility is about more than just hiding.

Invisibility affects creatures with darkvision (as well as normal vision). That's one major way that the ability helps players -- they can be invisible (and so harder to hit, have advantage on attacks) even when they're not hiding.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Get in a wagon, put some cover over you, hide, turn invisible, then have an ally remove the cover. Now have an ally cart you around.

Mounts also work.

The cover is for dim light? Hmm... indeed it does not state that changing the lighting status may end the invisibility. Really an odd power.

However the real power is that invisibility not only granta disadvantge on enemy attack rolls but breaks line of sight. So you can't be the target of a lot of spells.

edit: actually why not carry a blanket around and just throw it over you to become invisible. You still need someone to pit it away though. Maybe train your inp familiar to remove it.

 

[Sword of Spirit]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. I tweeted a designer about it a long time ago and never heard back. (I might have tweeted on the wrong days where their limit gets reached so they lose tweets).

One could reasonably interpret the rules as saying that since hiding only requires an action in combat, you can use this ability to hide in full darkness outside of combat. I don't really like that, because I'm not a fan of a firm line between combat/not combat.

But hiding in dim light seems to require a more creative interpretation to work, since dim light doesn't generally allow for hiding.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. I tweeted a designer about it a long time ago and never heard back. (I might have tweeted on the wrong days where their limit gets reached so they lose tweets).

One could reasonably interpret the rules as saying that since hiding only requires an action in combat, you can use this ability to hide in full darkness outside of combat. I don't really like that, because I'm not a fan of a firm line between combat/not combat.

But hiding in dim light seems to require a more creative interpretation to work, since dim light doesn't generally allow for hiding.

Actually it does. If you are not seen clearly enough you can hide. If noone is atound to see you you may attemt a hide check. You basically have cover from everyone and cand point to that rule. Cover is a relative thing. A long distance between you and the next person in heavy rain or dim light should suffice to hide too.
I have played in LARP and you won't believe me how easy it is to be unnoticed in dim light if you wear the right vestments. dark brown and green and datk gray will easily protect you from being seen even if you are directly looked at from some feet away.
So you will never have technical rules that may encompass all possibilities to hide in reality.
The skulker feat in my game will just allow you to quasi slip out of sight when the enemy knows you are there. As does the elf ability in heavy rain or light underbrush.