I didn’t mean anything quite as extreme as that. But folks do seem unhappy.
I think people should be allowed to be upset over things. I just don’t get it in this case.
I mean, I just don't see why "upset" needs to come into it. Not every negative opinion is an indicator of upset. I don't like songs that are basically half a verse and 5 repetitions of the chorus, but I'm not upset when they come on the radio.
I kind of do that in my games already. At least in the "some people believe the Host are ancient dragons" camp.
I like the ancient dragons thing, mostly because i don't necessarily think that truly ancient wyrms are actually totally distinct from gods, but also partly because I think the Host are amalgamations of the stories told about archetypal figures, and even if there is some kernal of a true deific entity at their core, their nature and what they mean to the world is about those archetypes and stories.
Yep. It's just inside a bigger and harder to penetrate crystal sphere. Basically, all of Eberron are just "berks". Honestly, it's lucky for me and my group that Eberron has always been heavily pushed as a setting that you make your own, where canon doesn't matter, because I despise Planescape's takeover of all of DnD, and this might have killed my interest in Eberron if I felt inclined to take it seriously.
They are both 5-headed evil dragon goddesses with a white, black, green, blue, and red heads that relate yo cold, acid, poison, lightning, and fire respectively. Other than some ornamentation, they are exactly the same.
Gods are not from worlds, they are from their divine realms. The influence a world (or worlds) through their divine aspects or avatars. Seems pretty (super)natural to me.
Ugh. World, cosmology, setting, whatever.
Not even close. It is more like saying a great horned owl and great grey owl are both owls. Yes, there are slight differences, but they are both owls.
IDK, I mean Tak has gotten a lot more one v one time in novels than Tiamat I think, so it is really kinda hard to say IMO
My goodness - just do a search for Tiamat on Deviant Art and you will see a lot of people see Tiamat that way. And I believe that she is described that way in the 4e Draconomicon.
So, fanart and a description in an edition that came how long after the (bad) decision was made to make them the same? Okay?
Tyranny of Dragons came out just as I was wrapping up a years-long campaign arc coming to an almost identical climax. I'm not sure who Wolfgang Baur had spying on my table, but I did not appreciate it!
Man...yeah. It's rough.
/cough cough
And neither are those over 58.
Fair enough!
I just thought I would point out that the traditional many of "Multiverse" is not the same as the now commonly accepted definition of "Multiverse." I am sure you know this, but I thought it was an important distinction.
D&D Multiverse: multiple planes of existing. Each plane being different from the other (sometimes vastly so), but also connected.
Pulp Multiverse: alternate realities, separate from each, but typically all bearing some resemblance to our reality
Personally I prefer the D&D method to the pseudo-science pulp definition. But everyone is different!
Yeah IMO the planescape version of multiverse is...boring, except as entirely it's own thing with no connection to, say, Eberron or Krynn or Toril.
[Here Be Spoilers for War of Souls]
As the War of Souls and Weis’s Mina trilogy further depicted things, I’ve gotten the sense that Dragonlance gods are (as always shown) a bit weird in their divinity. There’s always the notion of High God and his “calling from beyond” of beings to grant divine power to, then their divine children (all of course a bit of Jeff Grubb’s old Neoplatonist “original Toril” campaign document given a bit of a Mormon metaphysical spin by Tracy Hickman. Moreso than even with other gods in D&D, where the being and the power can be separated, it feels more like hypostases.
Paladine is and is not Bahamut is as much as the being who is now Valthonis is complete and the echoing divinity Bahamut is complete. The incorporated Draco Paladin is both. Similarly, the being that was Takhisis and the continuing echoing divinity Tiamat incorporated into something combined but unique in Draco Cerebrint. (We all know that somehow Astinius is Gilean, but Astinius as he likely exists until the end of Krynn and the Book as Highgod creates it at the beginning of Krynn from a different eternal perspective are hypostases) Even the fact that Takhisis can “steal the world” from Krynnspace to ‘Dragonspace’ likely involves the strings of that echo shared between her and Universal Tiamat, like a user following a network along to a different terminal.
I mean I love that stuff, but IMO making all of DnD a setting, rather than truly a collection of separate settings, makes each "setting" less than it would be otherwise,
especially when the gods are really just all the same gods. Paladine leaving the world or giving up his divinity for the sake of balance means
nothing when he is just one of potentially infinite aspects of the cosmic male half of Io.
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