Is Proof Against Transmutation armor enchantment from the MoF an Epic enchantment?

[Arravis]

The problem I have is doing so retroactively. The item is already made and I suspect he'll want me to "take it back" more or less. Not what I would consider fair, but perhaps it's just me.

I do feel that if they didn't intend pre-lvl 21 characters to have it, they wouldn't have included it in those books.

 

[Crothian]

The problem I have is doing so retroactively. The item is already made and I suspect he'll want me to "take it back" more or less. Not what I would consider fair, but perhaps it's just me.

I do feel that if they didn't intend pre-lvl 21 characters to have it, they wouldn't have included it in those books.

Then leave it the way it is. Ignore ELH. It's the simplist answer and the one that you obviously want.

 

[Arravis]

It's the one *I* would preffer, but it might not be what's "official". I'd like to go with whatever is the correct answer, not the one I want.

 

[Crothian]

It's the one *I* would preffer, but it might not be what's "official". I'd like to go with whatever is the correct answer, not the one I want.

There is no official answer in the books I have which is pretty much everything. So, you can write the sage or post this question on Wizards boards and try to get an answer.

Or since MaoF was written before ELH and even if it wasn't it would be written independant of it, have them be equal but seperate.

 

[Arravis]

Is there a past ruling on a similar issue? I'll write The Sage, but dear lord... I've send him two questions in the past month and have yet to get a single response . I'll try posting on the WoTC board as well... I didn't realize that anyone from WoTC actually posted. We'll see if I get lucky . So we have one vote for yes, it's epic, so far from here.

 

[Crothian]

Wizards has a policy of not having books require any other books except the core books. That's the only past ruling on the subject.

 

[kreynolds]

Is Proof Against Transmutation (p. 137 of Magic of Faerun) armor enchantment an Epic enchantment?

No. Magic of Faerun was written with disregard to the Epic Level Handook. It doesn't require the epic level rules to use at all.

Magic of Faerun was published before the Epic Level handbook was. The Magic of Faerun book seems to make no reference to this item being epic as well. Are armors with this enchantment now Epic? Any help would be appreciated, thanks guys!

The Proof Against Transmutation armor enhancement is not an epic enhancement. It is nowhere near the power of an epic item. The DMG does not limit special armor or weapon enhancements to +5, though it does limit the magical enhancement bonus of weapons or armor to +5 (such as +5 to hit and damage, and +5 to AC), and the overall enhancement bonus of the weapon to +10. This is the only limit in the core rules.

Individual enhancements do not have a limit to the market price modifier in the DMG, though they have an effective limit of +9, as you must have the remaining +1 magical enhancement for the weapon or armor itself.

If you examine the epic armor and weapon enhancements, you will not that they are far more powerful than Proof Against Transmutation. As long as your +6 or higher enhancement isn't too powerful, you need not use the epic level rules.

 

[Arravis]

On page 126 of the ELH it states that "Note that the +6 to +10 rows apply only to armor and shields that provide an enhancement bonus of +6 to +10 or armor and shields with a single special ability whose market price modifier is +6 to +10." The +6 to +10 rows are the "epic" ones I beleive.

On the DMG on page 179 it does state that "Magic Armor Bonuses are referred to as enhancement bonuses, never rise above +5, and stack with regular armor bonuses"

The DMG does seem to agree with Kreynolds (I'll be working on some new maps soon to post on your site btw ). The ELH doesn't seem to, but my D&Dlegalesse skill is pretty low though, so who knows...

 

[kreynolds]

Permanent haste as long as you wear the armor.

Nope. Here's a Sage Reply on this...

Armor of haste seems to be one of the most broken things I have ever seen. Please tell me that this is an error of some sort.

It would be helpful if you would include a product title and a page number when you ask a question like this.

Are you referring to Armor of Speed from Defender's of the Faith? (The stuff is costed correctly but it works just like boots of speed--you have to activate the haste effects and you only get 10 rounds of haste a day).

Skip Williams
RPG R&D

...and for those of you that find that a Sage Reply simply isn't enough, I have a feat that would be perfect for you.

 

[Arravis]

*Bumping for Kreynolds whom I assume will see his name on the main page and not realize there's a post he heasn't read above his *