Is Proof Against Transmutation armor enchantment from the MoF an Epic enchantment?

[kreynolds]

The DMG does seem to agree with Kreynolds

Of course it does.

(I'll be working on some new maps soon to post on your site btw ).

Sweet. I'm working on a few maps as well, but I haven't had much time to devote to them.

The ELH doesn't seem to

That's because it uses a different rule set in regards to magic items, where all of the new enhancements are "over the top", so to speak.

but my D&Dlegalesse skill is pretty low though, so who knows...

Bah. You don't need that skill in this situation.

 

[Arravis]

**That's because it uses a different rule set in regards to magic items, where all of the new enhancements are "over the top", so to speak.**

Explain, I'm not sure I'm understanding.

Proof Against Transmutation is a "Market Price: +6 bonus"

and, to pick a Epic example...

Acid Warding (p. 126 of ELH) is a "Market Price: +6 bonus"

Seems weird to me...

 

[kreynolds]

Explain, I'm not sure I'm understanding.

Proof Against Transmutation is a "Market Price: +6 bonus"

and, to pick a Epic example...

Acid Warding (p. 126 of ELH) is a "Market Price: +6 bonus"

Seems weird to me...

Well...

Proof against Transmutation: The character wearing this armor is impervious to transmutation effects that alter his or her form, including polymorph, petrification, and even disintegration.

...compared to Acid Resistance 50 is a pretty big difference. IMO, Acid Resistance 50 is a hell of a lot more poweful than simply being immune to transmutation. Aside from Disintegrate, no form of transmutation in and of itself will kill you.

Proof against Transmutation and Acid Warding lie within two completely different categories, those of "Pretty Slick." and "F'ing Sweet!" respectively.

 

[Arravis]

Being immune to a school of magic is pretty hardcore... but is it Epic? I don't know...

Anyway, I'm trying to hammer out a more concrete idea then just "it doesn't look epic to me". Cause I agree with you (on different principles), but the text seems to support that it is epic. The DMG does not though... ugh...
*pulls out hair*

 

[kreynolds]

Being immune to a school of magic is pretty hardcore...

Not really. Afterall, I can transmutate you into a Great Red Dragon, then you could kick the crap out of the guy wearing the armor of Proof against Transmutation, but since he isn't the one being transmutated, it doesn't really help him much.

Anyway, I'm trying to hammer out a more concrete idea then just "it doesn't look epic to me".

The DMG is concrete.

but the text seems to support that it is epic.

Only in the ELH, which is a different matter. It's a whole different class of enhancements, but I merely repeat myself here, so...

The DMG does not though

The DMG doesn't have to. The DMG is part of the core rules, one of the only three books necessary to play the game. It's part of the "heart" of the game, if you will.

The ELH is a rules supplement.

Anyways, no doubt you'll get some more opinions on this from others later.

 

[Arravis]

Well, I hope it's enough to convince my DM .

I would argue that you could use Acid Warding with +1 armor and make it non-epic... but I assume the fact that it's listed in the "Epic Armor and Shields" section, that it negates that...

P.S.: And no insulting my co-DM, he's just trying to make sure it's all fair and up-to-snuff. Same thing I do

 

[kreynolds]

I would argue that you could use Acid Warding with +1 armor and make it non-epic...

I probably wouldn't. You never know, but it would be a house rule anyways.

but I assume the fact that it's listed in the "Epic Armor and Shields" section, that it negates that...

Oh, probably.

 

[Arravis]

Any other opinions on this issue?

 

[reiella]

I'd try to keep things clean.

Seems it should technically be an epic enhancement, just the same as the Halruuan Airship.

To keep things clean, if you ain't using ELH, don't worry about it.

If you are using ELH, keep things as is and don't RetCon. RetCon is bad. For future instances would apply it just for consistancies sake.

Or possibly just consider those items 'SPiffy Keen' but not 'OMG VACUUM BLADED KATANA SCHWEET', but wouldn't be inclined towards that myself. Unless I really could find something that had a +6 that wasn't really appropiately epic but those two do seem appropiately epic imo, but that's just me .

 

[Izod]

Well time for my opinion The DMG states in rather no plain speak that no single enchantment can be higher than +5. if this is +6 then it's not legal by the DMG rules. the only way this can be legal is if you use the ELH rules, and as such is epic.