Is Star Wars d20 revised worth it?

[Horacio]

You're incorrect about Force Strike, it moves nothing, it only does damage. Move Object can only hurl up to 50kg. When Darth Maul force pushes Obi-Wan, Obi-Wan certainly has more mass than 50 kg (104 lbs.). Which leaves the revised rulebook with no method to force push anything.

Enforcer, according to my shiny new Star Wars Revised Rulebook, there is no limit to the weight you can hurl.
In page 94 there is a chart taht goes until 50.000 kg (DC 30). For a standard human it would be 51--500 kg (roughly 100-1000 lb) category, with a DC 20, pretty easy for a Jedi.

 

[Enforcer]

Enforcer, according to my shiny new Star Wars Revised Rulebook, there is no limit to the weight you can hurl.
In page 94 there is a chart taht goes until 50.000 kg (DC 30). For a standard human it would be 51--500 kg (roughly 100-1000 lb) category, with a DC 20, pretty easy for a Jedi.

Horacio, that chart is for moving things, not hurling them. Check out p. 95 under Hurling Objects. "You can use this skill to lift and hurl a Small or Medium-size object or living being (50kg or less), but not with any speed or power."

(Btw, will have finished my story hour by tonight.)

 

[Mistwell]

I must say, I never had any intention of playing a Star Wars game before Attack of the Clones.

Now that I have seen it, I am suddenly interested in a game.

All I have ever played (in recent history) as far as RPG's go is D&D d20, and while I love that game, I have no idea how other d20 games compare.

As for the Star Wars d20 general game itself: Are people really loving playing this game? Is it all that it should be? Are the gaming sessions memorable? Do the rules leave something to be desired? Does it FEEL like star wars when you play?

As for game support: Are there good published modules for the game, taking characters up through various experience levels (if it even uses levels)? Are there good sourcebooks for this game? Are there good web site support pages (from fans or otherwise) for it?

Thanks,

 

[Horacio]

Horacio, that chart is for moving things, not hurling them. Check out p. 95 under Hurling Objects. "You can use this skill to lift and hurl a Small or Medium-size object or living being (50kg or less), but not with any speed or power."

(Btw, will have finished my story hour by tonight.)

But it says you can move a beign as if he were an object (after the saving throw), so you can always move him 4*you level meters in a round.

IMHO, you can:
a) move him, like push him, with move object
b) damage him with force strike

It covers all the possibilities, I think. Besides using your foe as a living weapon hurling him to other foes...

(BTW, waiting for that update... )

 

[Enforcer]

But it says you can move a beign as if he were an object (after the saving throw), so you can always move him 4*you level meters in a round.

IMHO, you can:
a) move him, like push him, with move object
b) damage him with force strike

It covers all the possibilities, I think. Besides using your foe as a living weapon hurling him to other foes...

(BTW, waiting for that update... )

Yeah, but that's moving him, like Yoda slowly lifting Luke's x-wing. I think of what Obi-Wan does to several droids in Ep. I as a much swifter, more forceful push--too fast for Move Object. Eh, I guess it winds up as personal preference.

(Typing it right now, it's almost 3am in Chicago.)

 

[Horacio]

Yeah, but that's moving him, like Yoda slowly lifting Luke's x-wing. I think of what Obi-Wan does to several droids in Ep. I as a much swifter, more forceful push--too fast for Move Object. Eh, I guess it winds up as personal preference.

(Typing it right now, it's almost 3am in Chicago.)

For me it was Force Strike. The pushback is a kind of "side effect" to give colour to the situation

(Here in France it's 10 a.m. )

 

[King_Stannis]

(Decides to checks Amazon himself)

Being in the UK he checks Amazon.co.uk first to discover it is 9% off. Which happens to exactly match the postage he has to pay to get it within 1-2 weeks (it doesn't even ship within 24 hours!).

So checks Amazon.com and with its 30% discount, and even with international shipping rates it works out cheaper and could arrive in the similair time frame (11 to 18 days).

Can anyone tell me the point in the UK website?

not sure how the shipping works overseas, but i (in the states) got mine 3 days after placing the order. they highball the estimated delivery time, methinks. i'm not complaining!

 

[Mouseferatu]

I never owned the original d20 Star Wars, but I do think the new book is quite well done. I've only found three major errors so far, which also says something.

-no inclusion of a Force Push ability (like when Darth Maul pushes Obi-Wan into that pit in Ep I.)
-Force Speed and Knight Speed feats do the same exact thing...only difference is that Force Speed requires 7th level of Force-using, Knight Speed needs 7th level of Jedi class. I don't see what the point to that is...

Perhaps they're stackable? It doesn't say they are, but it would make sense.

And I think Force Strike is the power employed in the movies to hurl people back. It's true that it doesn't give rules for that in the game, but then again, people take more damage in the movies from specific attack forms than they do in game--otherwise, games wouldn't last very long.

The description matches perfectly, it's the only power Obi-Wan and Dooku share that could do it--the rules for Move Object really do make it clear that it couldn't be used for this purpose--and they've even included a picture of Dooku after he's hurled Anakin back under the Force Strike power. (And if you look, most or all of the pics in the Skills seciton correspond to the skill with which they're printed.)

How's this for an optional rule? If the Force Strike does Wound damage (as opposed to just Vitality damage), a failed save also indicates the target is thrown backwards?

 

[Buddha the DM]

As near as I can figure Force Speed was put in the book for Force Adepts and other characters without Jedi Class levels.

 

[Horacio]

As near as I can figure Force Speed was put in the book for Force Adepts and other characters without Jedi Class levels.

And the other remained for completteness (for keeping the pair Knight- Master- feat)...