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D&D 4E Is the OGL the reason for WOTC's secrecy about 4E?

Lizard said:
No, because nothing from 4e has ever been released under the OGL. Normal copyright rules apply.
And under normal copyright rules, you can incorporate 4e mechanical advances with original text into an OGL game.

I don't agree with the OP, but he does have a point. If someone were to make an OGL "3.9" edition that wasn't technically, but functionally compatible with 4e, I'm not sure that there's a legal way to keep them from doing so.
 

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Rykion said:
Wow. D&D 4e was announced at GenCon almost a year before release. WotC has given us all kinds of info on their website including a race write up and a class write up. They had demo games at the D&D Experience. There are demos at game stores leading up to 4e release. Keep on the Shadowfell comes out 2 weeks before the main books. It's still more than 2 months until release and anyone at ENworld has access to all they need to run basic 4e games thanks to info from the D&D Experience. I think WotC is doing a real bang up job keeping 4e and the basics of the rules a secret. ;)
Admittedly, WotC has shown two things very well: monsters and first-level play.

Outside of that, though, there's been almost nothing. Seeing a couple dozen paragon-tier wizard powers was cool, that really gave an idea of what to expect from that class without rendering the wizard entry in the PHB obsolete. But why can't they do more stuff like that? We know next-to-nothing about rituals, multiclassing, paragon paths, epic destinies, character advancement, skill challenges and out-of-combat abilities, the warlord, dragonborn, high-level martial stuff, etc. These are major parts of the game that we just don't know much about, and it's keeping a lot of hardcore fans from really jumping on board.

And you can try and say that since we're here talking about the game, that obviously shows their marketing is working. But that's not true. We'd be here talking about the game regardless because we're hardcore D&D fans like that.

I understand that the big mainstream push shouldn't be happening yet. But a lot of video game developers have become very good at building a hardcore fan base for their games in order to build word-of-mouth and a little buzz, so that when they do go all-out with their mainstream push, they've already got some momentum. WotC isn't doing that, though, and I can't help but think of that as a missed opportunity (and not to mention poor fan-service).
 


I don't know about the OGL as the reason, but I'm really getting the idea that the marketing people behind 4E have something completely different in mind this time. Having gone through the launch for 3E, and having seen the recent launch of Star Wars Saga, I'd say that 4E's publicity campaign has been spectacularly poor so far.

The articles on the rogue, critical hits and the warlord have been excellent, but they're simply not releasing anything in an orderly controlled fashion. I know they're in a crunch, but a weekly 2-300 word teaser on one of the new concepts in the game is not that hard to do. I have to write something similar for my job (it's not gaming related, unfortunately) and it takes me about 30 minute to do. That's every week.

If you have some old issues of Dragon, take a look at the previews they had for 3E and compare the countdown to what we have now. Heck you can still go to the Wizards website and see their previews for Star Wars Saga!

We have a fair bit of information on 4E at the moment, but most of it is entirely conjecture and fan based, and much of it will likely be wrong, or at least not entirely accurate, since we're reverse engineering it. Is that how you want your product marketed, really? :confused:

--Steve
 

Guys; if you don't agree with me, then this is fine. I hope I am wrong. But to dismiss my views in the way that you have is just childish. I have not woken up this morning, seen that text and gone ballistic. I have been following all the info on this for months.

Neither am I a fanboy nor someone for whom D&D is a holy grail. I have played other games for most of my roleplaying career. I have just come to understand that OGL is very important for PnP RPGs in the current climate.

Orcus; head of Necromancer Games has stated that he knows for certain that WoTC WERE considering removing any OGL component of 4E as little as a week ago.

If you don't actually know what you are talking about, perhaps it would be best to say nothing. It is so easy but so cowardly to sit and call people names hiding behind a bulletin board.
 

Ydars said:
If you don't actually know what you are talking about, perhaps it would be best to say nothing.

Too bad you don't take yoru own advice there skippy.

Cool I mispelled yore.

Yeah, I'm like sorry I've acted like an idiot and stuff
 
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Hobo said:
If someone were to make an OGL "3.9" edition that wasn't technically, but functionally compatible with 4e, I'm not sure that there's a legal way to keep them from doing so.

Sure there is.

Wizards, being massive, doesn't have to win a lawsuit, just keep it going long enough to financially ruin the person/company that's trying to rip off their work.
 

Voss said:
For example, the gift box is #79 in amazon's list of most ordered books right now. #1 in RPGs, beating out everything that actually exists in print form.
My BoldThat is impressive info! #79 on Amazon is something to be happy with...it is now #67 in amazon.com :)
 

Ydars said:
Orcus; head of Necromancer Games has stated that he knows for certain that WoTC WERE considering removing any OGL component of 4E as little as a week ago.

Can you point to where he said this? I read the thread and I didn't see him state a fact like this - all I saw was Orcus agreeing with another person's interpretation of the WotC quote, and being worried in general. I don't think anyone knows for certain anything about the GSL other than the fact that we don't have it yet.
 

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