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Is The One Ring 2E Kickstarter going to break the records?

At over $140K in the first half hour and shooting quickly past the $200K mark before the first hour was up, the numbers on Free League's Kickstarter for the 2nd Edition of The One Ring are whizzing up faster than the eye can see!

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The record for a TTRPG Kickstarter is Matt Colville, at over $2M for his Strongholds & Followers project (and a followup $1.3M campaign). The next highest was John Wick's 7th Sea at about $1.2M.

There were over 6,000 people who were following the pre-launch page for this Kickstarter, which runs for three weeks.
 

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Russ Morrissey

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Not substantially. Both are life + 70 years. You can read about copyright duration in various countries here:


For the US, that is only for works published on or after Jan 1st, 1978. For works prior to that, if I am understanding the legalese correctly, the copyright is good for 28 years and then has to be renewed, or it goes public domain. But if it is successfully renewed, the new copyright is good for 67 years, so The Hobbit and LotR had to be renewed in the US in 2006 or the rights would have been lost.
 


Bardic Dave

Explorer
For the US, that is only for works published on or after Jan 1st, 1978. For works prior to that, if I am understanding the legalese correctly, the copyright is good for 28 years and then has to be renewed, or it goes public domain. But if it is successfully renewed, the new copyright is good for 67 years, so The Hobbit and LotR had to be renewed in the US in 2006 or the rights would have been lost.

Without getting into specifics, the long and short of it is that copyright cannot be extended indefinitely in the US, regardless of whether the work was published before or after 1978.
 
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Staffan

Adventurer
Without getting into specifics, the long and short of it is that copyright cannot be extended indefinitely in the US, regardless of whether the work was published before or after 1978.
... unless you're Disney and can bribe enough congressmembers to extend copyright indefinitely that way when Steamboat Willie gets close to becoming public domain. Should be about time for another extension now.
 


Paragon Lost

Terminally Lost
Supporter
I have given up. This is more money than ever dreamt possible in the Free League world.

I had initially told my wife that it would probably end up at around $750,000.00. I definitely underestimated, since it's now pushing that right now after 2 plus days. It's going to go much higher even though their will be the lull period as is the norm of Kickstarters. I have no idea where it will end at in other words. It's fascinating to be sure. I do wonder why they didn't go the full 30 days instead went with a 21 day Kickstarter.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I had initially told my wife that it would probably end up at around $750,000.00. I definitely underestimated, since it's now pushing that right now after 2 plus days. It's going to go much higher even though their will be the lull period as is the norm of Kickstarters. I have no idea where it will end at in other words. It's fascinating to be sure. I do wonder why they didn't go the full 30 days instead went with a 21 day Kickstarter.
Quite a few people are using shorter kickstarters as in the middle period not much happens. I’m doing 2-week campaigns a lot these days, and I’ve seen a few 3-weekers. I’m actually considering dropping to one-week campaigns.
 

Ethawyn

Explorer
Quite a few people are using shorter kickstarters as in the middle period not much happens. I’m doing 2-week campaigns a lot these days, and I’ve seen a few 3-weekers. I’m actually considering dropping to one-week campaigns.
Interesting that it looks like past Free League Kickstarters have seen a pretty steady rise after the initial flurry to around twice the first day's take (via Kicktraq). There's definitely an upswing at the end, but that slow and steady isn't negligible.

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Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Interesting that it looks like past Free League Kickstarters have seen a pretty steady rise after the initial flurry to around twice the first day's take (via Kicktraq). There's definitely an upswing at the end, but that slow and steady isn't negligible.

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Same pattern as every Kickstarter. The daily pledges tab on Kicktraq always shows that same U shape.
 


Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
So then why would one cut out the middle part? It's not a flurry of activity but it's still significant.
Kickstarters are in the phase right now where lots of people are experimenting with the standard model to see just how much difference it makes or whether the same people pledge just at different times. The same question could be asked — why a month when you can do two months? Or three?

For me, doing a lot of sequential quick starters those two weeks at low activity can be replaced by a different Kickstarter’s first and last week again. It’s better for me to do two short campaigns every 6 weeks than say two long ones every three months.
 

Ethawyn

Explorer
Kickstarters are in the phase right now where lots of people are experimenting with the standard model to see just how much difference it makes or whether the same people pledge just at different times. The same question could be asked — why a month when you can do two months? Or three?

For me, doing a lot of sequential quick starters those two weeks at low activity can be replaced by a different Kickstarter’s first and last week again. It’s better for me to do two short campaigns every 6 weeks than say two long ones every three months.
That makes sense.
 

Paragon Lost

Terminally Lost
Supporter
Quite a few people are using shorter kickstarters as in the middle period not much happens. I’m doing 2-week campaigns a lot these days, and I’ve seen a few 3-weekers. I’m actually considering dropping to one-week campaigns.

Yeah but this one Russ isn't that type of Kickstarter, if I'm making sense. This one should have been earmarked to be a big deal. In my opinion giving it a full 30 days to raise as much money as possible.

On the Quickstarters, I'm actually not a big fan of them personally. To make my wife happy I tend to set a limit on my hobby expenditures. Quickstarter's tempt me to violate my monthly self limit and that makes me unhappy. I start having FOMO feelings and that irks me. I usually average around $3,000 to $4,000 a year on my tabletop gaming hobby as an aside. My online gaming (mmorpgs) adds another $500.00 to $1,000.00 depending on what I'm doing . I keep a log to keep myself honest. lol.

Anyhow just offering feedback on the Quickstarter's, I've passed on quite a few that I might have done had they not been Quickstarters. When you're tossing $200.00 to $400.00 on individual Kicktarters (Ptolus comes to mind on the high end, and I did $300.00 on The One Ring and $325.00 on the Savage Pathfinder Kickstarter), you end up eating up your monthly limit quickly.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Yeah but this one Russ isn't that type of Kickstarter, if I'm making sense. This one should have been earmarked to be a big deal. In my opinion giving it a full 30 days to raise as much money as possible.
Then why not 2 months? Why not 6? A year? What’s so magical about 30 days, specifically?*



*the answer is nothing as we creators are starting to discover
 

Paragon Lost

Terminally Lost
Supporter
Then why not 2 months? Why not 6? A year? What’s so magical about 30 days, specifically?*



*the answer is nothing as we creators are starting to discover
Yeah I guess I'm not explaining myself well and I'm just not in the mood to break down if you don't see why.
 


Ghal Maraz

Explorer
As a rule of thumb, for what is worth from a non-project creator like me, a 30-days campaign seems a lot of wasted time, effort, and energy, if you've made enough of a marketing campaign before it. The long, silent middle part is only really useful to campaigns started with a low profile, i.e. the campaigns that need the time in-between to rise some real awareness on its existence.
 

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