ThorinTeague
Creative/Father/Professor
Yeah, one of the things that's so crazy about this whole hurricane is how profoundly unnecessary all this was.While WotC has made some key steps just to repair completely avoidable damage,
Yeah, one of the things that's so crazy about this whole hurricane is how profoundly unnecessary all this was.While WotC has made some key steps just to repair completely avoidable damage,
You strike me as a person who perhaps struggles with empathy.
You strike me as a person who perhaps struggles with empathy.
How about this... I empathize with the children in the Congo who were and still are used as laborers by companies like Apple, Google and Microsoft to mine cobalt ... I do struggle to empathize with those who might have had the OGL 1.0a taken away but ultimately didn't... So please continue to tell me what type of person I perhaps am...
This thread is going off the rails. Drop that subject, please.Do you know why the textile industry wants children working on manufacturing clothes?
It's because they can reach their hands into the machines without having to turn them off.
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I revoked the OGL 1.0a 35 minutes agoI think you have a point there, but only in as much as everyone co-operated because the 900lb gorilla needed to be taken down and nobody was big enough to do it by themselves. If you don't have a 900lb gorilla to create that level of threat, you don't need the entire community to deal with it when it acts up.
The idea of the RPG hobby needing a 900lb gorilla so we can all be scared of it and pull together against it feels a bit strange.
I will probably always be wary around a person who brandishes a lethal weapon in my direction regardless of whether they used the weapon against me or decided not to. This is why many 3pp are looking at other licenses like CC or ORC. Not everyone feels as safe in WotC's "safe harbor" anymore. It's not about wanting to pounce on WotC; instead, it's about not wanting to risk being pounced on.It seems to me that a lot of people who are still mad and hold a grudge even after WOTC backed down and reversed course were just waiting to pounce on them anyway.
I hope you find what you're looking for in another game, but I love 5e and I appreciate WOTC for what they've done with the corpse TSR delivered to them (Yes, even 4e was fun!)
Long live TTRPGs!
Emotional states and emotion-based assessments do not generally go away instantaneously.It seems to me that a lot of people who are still mad and hold a grudge even after WOTC backed down and reversed course were just waiting to pounce on them anyway.
If a close friend of yours tries to shoot you and misses, then says they are really sorry and sells their gun, nothing has actually changed. You are alive and unharmed. He no longer has the gun. Are you just going to immediately forgive your friend because he got rid of the gun?I'm talking pure facts... nothing actually changed. I'm not the one debating what might've, could've been.
Are you sure that analogy is correct... Maybe you mean: if the glass breaks, it will become empty and cannot be refilled anymore...My uncle once explained to me "The Trust Glass."
Imagine a glass of water. You can put water in and take water out. But, if the glass is ever empty, it will break. That is trust.
WOTC emptied out the Trust Glass.
This is a lot of assumption on Dancey's. He's assuming that people inside WotC fought for this and it wasn't a numbers game to upper management. Maybe it happened. Maybe it didn't. Even if some in WotC disliked this, and I fully believe that there are, upper management who makes these kinds of decisions is just a few people and there's a good chance that none of those who disliked it were in that small group.Speaking of empathy.
People at WotC who just want to design their game. People who worked on the movie out of love.
People who were just happy to see a D&D movie.
I am also empathizing with 3pp who were hurt and had 3 terrible weeks.
There are very few people I am not empathizing with.
The deciders at WotC who all that was a good idea. Maybe I have even a little sympathy for some of them, because maybe they thought it would be best for D&D to disallow bigotry...
So why do you think some people are worth your empathy and some are not?
Here is a tweet I found, that underlines my sentiment:
Yep! Absolutely! I have been waiting 23 years for WotC to do exactly this just so I could have a reason to pounce on them. It's about time! I was beginning to think that they'd never do anything this bad.It seems to me that a lot of people who are still mad and hold a grudge even after WOTC backed down and reversed course were just waiting to pounce on them anyway.
This is a lot of assumption on Dancey's. He's assuming that people inside WotC fought for this and it wasn't a numbers game to upper management. Maybe it happened. Maybe it didn't. Even if some in WotC disliked this, and I fully believe that there are, upper management who makes these kinds of decisions is just a few people and there's a good chance that none of those who disliked it were in that small group.
Oh, absolutely. There are two reasons why I really dislike boycotts. The first is what you just mentioned. If we boycott say Chick-fil-A for reasons, we're only hurting those below who weren't responsible and need the jobs to feed their families. We can't hurt the corporation since the corporation will just eliminate jobs and/or reduce hours to compensate for any losses, if there are any losses which brings me to the second point. Boycotts usually just earn the corporation extra money. You're giving the corporations tons of free publicity and those on the other side of the issue will make a point of repeatedly buying over a short period of time from whoever you are boycotting.Yes. I think so. But those below are those whose jobs are cut if we boycott forever.
Yep.And the higher ups, even when thrown out will get a lot of money to comfort themselves...
This is where we depart. I can buy things from the company without forgiving it for what was done. It's going to take significantly more for me to forgive them for this. And I will never, ever trust them.So overall, I "forgive WotC", which does not mean I do forgive every person in WotC right now.
What did they actually do? What actually changed?