It is time to forgive WOTC and get back onboard.

[ThorinTeague]

Please speak for yourself. I want OneD&D to be the best D&D.

I think with a big D&D other RPGs can grow under the big tent.

Whatever imperfect choice of words with which I may carelessly have mislead you to believe otherwise, I am always just speaking for myself. Unless someone elects me as their representative, which so far, they have not.

I do not always choose the best possible words. But you can always assume I'm only speaking for myself.

 

[ThorinTeague]

Does it matter since they didn't get it? Why are we debating hypotheticals and unknowable questions??

In my opinion absolutely yes, motives very much matter just on principle but in a more immediate, concrete way too: If they still want to, they'll be looking for a way to try. Maybe a different attack vector but shooting for the same result.

 

[Aberzanzorax]

What did they actually do? What actually changed?

It looks like you want a rhetorical, rather than a factual argument. One where we hem and haw over what words mean, and possible hypotheticals. I'm not talking about hypotheticals.

No.

This is about facts. What they did (behavior, not thought), the repercussions, and the outcome.

And what they did was reprehensible. Maybe you don't think so.

Many did think so. It was all over - not just these forums, not just the entire third party community, not just WotC reddits and twitter, but on national news.

Seriously.
The impending existence of the ORC license isn't because WotC "considered" doing something.
And I think you know that.

 

[Imaro]

It looks like you want a rhetorical, rather than a factual argument.

No.

I'm talking pure facts... nothing actually changed. I'm not the one debating what might've, could've been.

EDIT: I just can't get that worked up over something that didn't happen when there are companies actually doing horrible things.

 

[Aberzanzorax]

I'm talking pure facts... nothing actually changed. I'm not the one debating what might've, could've been.

EDIT: I just can't get that worked up over something that didn't happen when there are companies actually doing horrible things.

Fair enough. The RESULT of their ACTIONS taken was that they BACKED DOWN.

The horrible thing they tried to do, and failed to do, was thwarted by the actions of the community.

That's how I see it.

How much any of us gets worked up or not about it is a personal thing for each of us to individually deal with for our own selves.

 

[Imaro]

How much any of us gets worked up or not about it is a personal thing for each of us to individually deal with for our own selves.

I've only talked about myself the entire time... so we're in agreement.

 

[ThorinTeague]

This is about facts. What they did (behavior, not thought), the repercussions, and the outcome.

And what they did was reprehensible. Maybe you don't think so

I'm talking pure facts... nothing actually changed. I'm not the one debating what might've, could've been.

EDIT: I just can't get that worked up over something that didn't happen when there are companies actually doing horrible things.

You strike me as a person who perhaps struggles with empathy.

 

[Imaro]

You strike me as a person who perhaps struggles with empathy.

How about this... I empathize with the children in the Congo who were and still are used as laborers by companies like Apple, Google and Microsoft to mine cobalt ... I do struggle to empathize with those who might have had the OGL 1.0a taken away but ultimately didn't... So please continue to tell me what type of person I perhaps am...

 

[Clint_L]

I suspect how well the movie does will have nothing to do with bringing more people and creators to the hobby. The best they can hope for is a few D&D players bringing non-D&D people to see the movie and maybe getting the non-players to agree to buy a players handbook and play the game. As you said, there's some great fantasy on TV so this movie isn't necessary for growing the hobby. There's also decades of great literature that will continue to bring people to the hobby.

If the movie is great and succeeds, that will lead to more movies, that's about it.

Yeah, I have to agree with that. It's not like the success of superhero movies led to more people buying comics, and that's a lot easier and similar an activity. Going to a movie and playing a TTRPG are pretty distinct. I think live play shows have a far bigger impact of folks actually trying the game than this film will. I just hope it's a good movie as a movie!

 

[ThorinTeague]

How about this... I empathize with the children in the Congo who were and still are used as laborers by companies like Apple, Google and Microsoft to mine cobalt ... I do struggle to empathize with those who might have had the OGL 1.0a taken away but ultimately didn't... So please continue to tell me what type of person I perhaps am...

Do you know why the textile industry wants children working on manufacturing clothes?

It's because they can reach their hands into the machines without having to turn them off.

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