It is time to forgive WOTC and get back onboard.
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Clint_L
Legend
Again with the talk of forgiveness. WotC and I are not in a personal relationship. It has always been and remains purely transactional. If they have something I want, I will buy it. If they don't, I won't. Mostly...they don't make stuff I want. But DnDBeyond is a huge convenience and integral to D&D Club, so they will keep getting my seven bucks a month for that, at a minimum.
Branduil
Hero
I'm not much interested in anthropomorphizing giant corporations. I greatly appreciate everyone who fought for this victory, and I'm glad WotC leadership caved on this. I hope they can rebuild a healthy relationship with the community that supports them.
For me, I decided a while ago to move on. 5e for me was always blandly acceptable-- it was good enough as a game, it had a few really good ideas (adv/disadv, bound accuracy), and most people were okay with playing it. But I was never really attached to any D&D settings, and the flaws in the system rankled as the years went by: overpowered magic again, non-existant OOC rules, boring fighters, bad rangers, etc. The best thing you could say for it was the massive 3rd party support to fix various issues, but that's ruined now. I was okay with 5e, but I actually enjoyed 4e as a game far more. I'm actually finding Pathfinder 2e to be far better at giving that experience, ironically enough considering its origins.
For me, I decided a while ago to move on. 5e for me was always blandly acceptable-- it was good enough as a game, it had a few really good ideas (adv/disadv, bound accuracy), and most people were okay with playing it. But I was never really attached to any D&D settings, and the flaws in the system rankled as the years went by: overpowered magic again, non-existant OOC rules, boring fighters, bad rangers, etc. The best thing you could say for it was the massive 3rd party support to fix various issues, but that's ruined now. I was okay with 5e, but I actually enjoyed 4e as a game far more. I'm actually finding Pathfinder 2e to be far better at giving that experience, ironically enough considering its origins.
Andvari
Hero
Doing these things forever is going to take some time.
The Stray
Hero
Yeah, no. They still haven't apologized to the MTG community for the 30th Anniversary debacle, and this was an unforced error on their part. I'm not forgiving them for being the ones to lob the grenade into their own community's trust and goodwill, even if they're jumping on it now.
Dreamscape
Crafter of fine role-playing games
I beg to differ! Some of my grudges date back to primary school, yet I'm in perfect health. I hope old "Stinky" Perkins* sublimes in physics hell for all eternity.
* Surnames changed to protect the guilty.
I'd argue people should have learned a lesson from this experience; it's not healthy for 1 system to dominate the industry like this. Branch out, try new stuff. I'm not boycotting WotC since they backed down, but my table will still be switching to PF2e for our next campaign and we'll likely try a different system and genre after that. Maybe we give 1D&D a try down the road, we'll see.
Bedrockgames
I post in the voice of Christopher Walken
I think they damaged a tremendous amount of good will and trust. That is going to take a lot of time to rebuild. People are going to need to see that they don't pull this kind of thing again in the future. I think the whole lawyerly seizing upon the term 'authorized' in the OGL to do something most people didn't think they had the legal or moral right to do, has me pretty skeptical about what conduct to expect from them in the future. Hopefully they are sincere here. Hopefully they truly were moved to change their position based on the overwhelming feedback they got.
I forgive them.
I will not forget. And I will not trust.
But I forgive.
So I'll buy any 5e book that seems interesting to me, or even exciting. And I'll use it with A5e going forward. I'll mine it for ideas and concepts and the building blocks of other materials that I can produce because it's good to get different ideas together and blend them into new ones.
But I won't release anything under OGL 1.0a unless I -have- to. Because I don't trust them.
I'm not going to be angry at others who don't forgive. I will be quick with reminders for those who forget, however.
And I will encourage people not to trust them.
But I forgive them.
I will not forget. And I will not trust.
But I forgive.
So I'll buy any 5e book that seems interesting to me, or even exciting. And I'll use it with A5e going forward. I'll mine it for ideas and concepts and the building blocks of other materials that I can produce because it's good to get different ideas together and blend them into new ones.
But I won't release anything under OGL 1.0a unless I -have- to. Because I don't trust them.
I'm not going to be angry at others who don't forgive. I will be quick with reminders for those who forget, however.
And I will encourage people not to trust them.
But I forgive them.
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