jdavis
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What did James Earl Jones have to say about the third Star Wars movie..............
http://www.theforce.net/episode3/index.shtml#19546
http://www.theforce.net/episode3/index.shtml#19546
James Earl Jones Spoils Episode III
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demiurge1138
Inventor of Super-Toast
Spoils? Please!
That was in the Return of the Jedi novelization. I've known that was going to happen for five years now. I just hope they don't screw it up...
Demiurge out.
That was in the Return of the Jedi novelization. I've known that was going to happen for five years now. I just hope they don't screw it up...
Demiurge out.
Desdichado
Hero
Dude, that's ancient history. Isn't in the New Hope novelization too? I think I've known about that for at least 20 years.
jdavis
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Joshua Dyal said:
Yes it was in several books and such but it wasn't ever confirmed before. The big news was a confirmation that he was going with what was in the previous books instead of comming up with something new which is what it looked like was going to happen for a long time, I mean lets face it falling into a volcano and not dying is pretty stupid. It also was a big deal that there was a confirmation that Vader would be in the moive and James Earl Jones would be doing the voice. Yes I just cut and pasted the title from the website, it's not a big spoiler but a confirmation of something that was previously rumor. It is a spoiler because it tells how the movie will end but yes it has been rumored for decades. Not everything that has been written before has come true in the movies, (such as Uncle Owen and Obi Wan being brothers). Here I clipped what was said on the same exact page about the Jones interview.
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The History of Recent Rumors
Fri, Jan 24, 03 12:00:42 AM EST
The recent rumors and talk from James Earl Jones about Episode III is really nothing new. Many have suggested this for some time, hoping and praying that this would be the amazing climactic ending for Star Wars we've all been waiting for. Here's a brief history of who has said what when about the topic:
Greg tells us that inside the flap of the box for his 12" Darth Vader (Collector Series from the early 90's) the following is written:
"Master and student inevitably clashed in a fearsome lightsaber duel that ended with Skywalker plummeting into a fiery pit, where his body was hideously deformed. From that point on Anakin Skywalker became the merciless master of the dark side, Darth Vader, and ultimately gained the title Dark Lord of the Sith."
Binary Sunset found this interesting quote from the Rolling Stone interview with Lucas on August 25, 1977:
"Vader kills Luke's father, then Ben and Vader have a confrontation, just like they have in Star Wars, and Ben almost kills Vader. As a matter of fact, he falls into a volcanic pit and gets fried and is one destroyed being. That's why he has to wear the suit with a mask, because it's a breathing mask. It's like a walking iron lung. His face is all horrible inside."
And Buffalo Jedi found this in Future Magazine, April 1978:
"In the realm of the Wars, George Lucas has approached all of the original film's principals, including Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Peter Cushing, Alec Guinness, Dave Prowse, Peter Mayhew, Anthony Daniels and Kenny Baker. Noted SF author Leigh Brackett has been approached with the task of writing the screenplay for the big-budgeted sequel. One of the key elements in the second script may be the origin of the Dark Lord, Darth Vader.
One version of his life being considered for the forthcoming production will reveal a young, handsome Darth turning rogue Jedi, killing Luke Skywalker's father and being pushed into a pool of molten lava by avenging angel Ben Kenobi. Darth is so badly scarred that he dons his black armor forever. It serves as a combination exoskeleton and walking iron lung. The second version portrays Darth as being, in reality, Luke Skywalker's father. After a psychological trauma, Luke's father succumbs to the darker nature of The Force and allows all that is good within him to die. And rising from the ashes of his soul is Darth, the arch-foe of all that is righteous. Whatever Vader's fate in the as-yet-embryonic script, the film began pre-production in London in January."
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More History on Recent Rumors
Fri, Jan 24, 03 05:31:36 PM EST
Has this been a great week for Episode 3 spoilers and preproduction details? Absolutely, and we'll get off to a good start on Monday as well, even if things cool off a bit (hint for the JCers). Up this hour is more details on just when and where these original rumors showed up that we're playing with currently. Some would consider these old references spoilers, so we'll cover them up for the purists:
Matt sends this quote straight from GWL's mouth in Rolling Stone Magazine - Aug. 25, 1977, pg. 40 "The Force behind George Lucas" by Paul Scanlon
Rolling Stone: Why does Darth Vader breathe so heavily?
George Lucas: I had wanted to do that and tie it in with the dialogue.
RS: It was a nice touch, because it adds to the bogyman quality of the character.
GL: Ben [Burtt] had a lot of work in that too. He did about 18 different kinds of breathing, through aqualungs and through tubes, trying to find the one that had the right sort of mechanical sound, and then decide whether it would be totally rhythmical and like an iron lung. That's the idea. It was a whole part of he plot that essentially got cut out. It may be in one of the sequels.
RS: What's the story?
GL: It's about Ben and Luke's father and Vader when they are young Jedi knights. But Vader kills Luke's father, then Ben and Vader have a confrontation, just like they have in "Star Wars", and Ben almost kills Vader. As a matter of fact, he falls into a volcanic pit and gets fried and is one destroyed being. That's why he has a breathing mask. It's like a walking iron lung. His face is all horrible inside. I was going to shoot a close-up of Vader where you could see the inside of his face, but then we sad, no, no, it would destroy the mystique of the whole thing.
Dave Holl reminds us that the novelization of Return of the Jedi has Ben telling Luke about Anakin falling into the pit. It also says Uncle Owen is Obi-Wans brother which we now know is not true. Daniel sent it to us:
You should not think of that machine as your father." It was the teacher speaking again. When I saw what had become of him, Itried to dissuade him, to draw him back from the dark side. We fought ... your father fell into a molten pit. When your father clawed his way out of that fiery pool, the change had been burned into him forever - he was Darth Vader, without a trace of Anakin Skywalker. Iredeemably dark. Scarred. Kept alive only by machinery and his own black will..."
And J. tells us that in the old Star Wars: Guide To Characters, they told the story of Anakin's duel with Obi Wan and him falling into the "fiery pit". It's been canon forever.
Richard mentioned The Annotated Screenplays also talking about the descion to have Anakin fall into a volcano and become Vader, and Craig told us that years ago he purchased a Darth Vader Key-ring (die cast) and on the back of the box was a blurb which stated that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker, but following an altercation with Obi-wan in a volcano, Anakin was dropped into lava. The emperor then revived him to make the man who was Darth Vader.
So while this is nothing new at all, it sure is fun to see it realized with recent rumors like SPY REPORT: Hot Tamale and the James Earl Jones MP3.
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Ankh-Morpork Guard
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I for one find this very good news. I always liked the whole "volacano-pit-falling-Anakin" idea, and have continued to hope it will be done...well...half way there...now just hope its done RIGHT.
Ankh-Morpork Guard
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mooby said:
Don't completely agree with that, and I feel bad that I seem to be one of the last SW fans that can say that left. But yeah, I'm not too hopeful...you never know though.
[Tolerant SW fan mode] Maybe the reason that people look down on these new movies is because we're expecting something that we saw with the originals when we were younger? Really, the concept is pretty much there...well, ignoring Episode I that is...Episode II was done very well, and hit back to the "old days" of SW, whether you want to admit it or not. Really, the new movies have (for the most part) fit EXACTLY into the genre they are...they are not SUPPOSED to be movies with wonderful acting/amazing plots/etc. They're old style Saturday matinee type movies, that just don't appear anymore, and probably never will. The style has died out pretty much, but that's what SW is. And really, I find it hard to believe that most people can't see how "cheesy" or "bad" the original trilogy was...that's what makes it FUN. Yes, I said it. FUN.
[/Tolerant SW fan mode]
Sorry about that, just kind of gets to me when people start attacking SW. Nothing personal.
demiurge1138
Inventor of Super-Toast
Ankh-Morpork Guard said:
Don't completely agree with that, and I feel bad that I seem to be one of the last SW fans that can say that left. But yeah, I'm not too hopeful...you never know though.
[Tolerant SW fan mode] Maybe the reason that people look down on these new movies is because we're expecting something that we saw with the originals when we were younger? Really, the concept is pretty much there...well, ignoring Episode I that is...Episode II was done very well, and hit back to the "old days" of SW, whether you want to admit it or not. Really, the new movies have (for the most part) fit EXACTLY into the genre they are...they are not SUPPOSED to be movies with wonderful acting/amazing plots/etc. They're old style Saturday matinee type movies, that just don't appear anymore, and probably never will. The style has died out pretty much, but that's what SW is. And really, I find it hard to believe that most people can't see how "cheesy" or "bad" the original trilogy was...that's what makes it FUN. Yes, I said it. FUN.
[/Tolerant SW fan mode]
Sorry about that, just kind of gets to me when people start attacking SW. Nothing personal.
I have to agree with you there. Episode 1 was not a good Star Wars movie, but it was a pretty decent film. Episode 2, although flawed in dialouge and in some performances, was one hell of a ride. Though they weren't as good as the old movies, they're still entertaining.
Demiurge ou.
jdavis
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demiurge1138 said:
Parts of episode one were great and other parts had Jar Jar in them. Me and a good friend of mine discussed this just a few days ago, he was a complete Star Wars nut for 3/4 of his life (the kind of guy who makes lightsaber replica's in a shop behind the house, the kind of guy with Star Wars wallpaper and Darth Vader light fixtures). For him it was a sad day when he realized that Lucas wasn't a god among men, but just a guy who made some good movies. We grew up watching these movies (I remember standing in line for a hour to see Star Wars when it first came out), but the movies just didn't grow up with us. The fanatical fans of the original movies are all grown up but the new movies are still aimed at kids. He expected to get three more Empire Strikes Backs but when you look back Lucas didn't direct Empire (Irvin Kershner), heck he didn't write the screenplay, Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan did, he was the executive producer, heck he only co-wrote the script for Jedi. These movies are a group effort, and it seems like the group he has around him now isn't as good as the group he had around him then. Episode 1 and 2 were both very good movies, but fans didn't want very good movies, they wanted the greatest movies of all time, they expected that and the movies didn't live up to that. Attack of the Clones wasn't even the highest grossing movie of the year it was released, and anything short of being the very best is a complete failure in the eyes of the die hard fans. If these movies were not labeled a Star Wars movies I don't think they would be disliked near as much. That and Jar Jar, which was a big poison pill, I mean really what were they thinking? It's the same people who decided to make Greedo shoot first, the people around him are just not as good as the people he used to have around him, now it seems he has a bunch of yes men who worship every idea he comes up with instead of veterans from the industry who will tell him like it is. He wrote a movie for young people but his core fan base is all grown up now.
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