D&D (2024) Jeremy Crawford: “We are releasing new editions of the books”

[Maxperson]

The PHB does have the phrase fifth edition on the back cover. It may be somewhere else, I'd need to look when I get home but it's definitely there at least once.

Yes. 5th edition originates with WotC. Not that we the players wouldn't have done the exact same thing en masse had they not done it, but they did.

 

[mamba]

I know, but they can't leave it at 5e and if it doesn't have a 5 in it, like say 5.5e, then it will be as confusing as One D&D.

just watch them, they will definitely leave it at 5e, they have said so for maybe a year now

 

[zedturtle]

How does that fix pen and paper, though? The whole player base isn't going digital, so they need to fix both.

There were people who claimed that Gutenberg ruined the 'personal' nature of the Bible by not having a human copy down each letter, like it had always been done.

I'm coming up on 50. Using PDFs on a tablet or monitor is not always easy. But running a game from them via Discord, VTT, or other technological means (even play-by-post) is easy. I know that's why many publishers are going that way, and have been for decades now.

 

[Maxperson]

if they give the orc more HP and more to hit is it the same CR?

I think the idea of CR needs to be dropped entirely. It's a broken concept that can't be made to work. What is a challenge to a 15th level group that consists of 2 wizards, a fighter and a paladin won't be the same challenge to a group of a fighter, a rogue, a cleric and a bard.

They need to teach DMs how to assess the group strengths and weaknesses compare those to a monster's strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Remathilis]

Then you're saying that WotC is great at calculating CR? Because their entire history including 5e speaks volumes against that position.

This isn't something you can say with confidence. If they are making changes, the power levels will change as well.

They noted that their math for calculating CR has improved since the MM. You need only look at Volo/ToF to MotM to see they have made adjustments to the numbers without changing the CR. I suspect the MM will get similar adjustments with the goal to get outliers in a given CR (those whose math is too low or too high for its CR) and move them more in line. I suspect a lot of creatures will get nip/tuck style corrections rather than rebuilds, but I expect a few will get new options as well.

Regardless, I think rebalancing monster math will be a net positive regardless if you use 14 or 24 PCs.

 

[Maxperson]

I dunno. Hero System had a 5e and a revised 5e and there was no mass confusion.

Revised 5e is not 5e. It's a change akin to 5.5e and really means the exact same thing.

 

[mamba]

Then you're saying that WotC is great at calculating CR? Because their entire history including 5e speaks volumes against that position.

no, I am saying they will be as good now as they were in 2014, maybe a little better

Either way you can use a 2014 monster and its 2024 version interchangeably

This isn't something you can say with confidence. If they are making changes, the power levels will change as well.

I can, there was no outcry over how the power levels changed with MotM, this is just more of the same

 

[zedturtle]

I think the idea of CR needs to be dropped entirely. It's a broken concept that can't be made to work. What is a challenge to a 15th level group that consists of 2 wizards, a fighter and a paladin won't be the same challenge to a group of a fighter, a rogue, a cleric and a bard.

They need to teach DMs how to assess the group strengths and weaknesses compare those to a monster's strengths and weaknesses.

Have you ever played 4e? Or Pathfinder 2e?

There are reasons for why CR exists. It just wasn't done well in 2014 5e. (Or relied on other assumptions that most groups didn't use, like how 'Free Parking' ruins Monopoly because it keeps players in the game when they should be out, and the game speeding toward an end).

 

[Maxperson]

There were people who claimed that Gutenberg ruined the 'personal' nature of the Bible by not having a human copy down each letter, like it had always been done.

I'm coming up on 50. Using PDFs on a tablet or monitor is not always easy. But running a game from them via Discord, VTT, or other technological means (even play-by-post) is easy. I know that's why many publishers are going that way, and have been for decades now.

A lot of us prefer the personal nature of appearing in person to play and/or dislike reading PDFs during a game.

 

[Vaalingrade]

There are reasons for why CR exists. It just wasn't done well in 2014 5e.

Or ever. It's basically a joke played on the DM.