jgbrowning, Rystil Arden, and Hypersmurf talk amongst themselves

[Rystil Arden]

rofl! I tried for about a post. Ok, maybe 1/2 a post.

joe b.

Yeah, I noticed, but it doesn't bother me at all. It bothers me much more when I do it wrong

 

[Hypersmurf]

I fear I probably won't have any chance to contribute further to this thread for at least 18 hours, but have fun in my absence

-Hyp.

 

[jgbrowning]

Because my view of my view isn't quite the same as your view of my view, here it is: Heat Metal cannot target wood. If some weirdo uses magic to turn a valid target into wood after it has already been targeted, then the spell is already in effect but doesn't do anything anymore, at least unless the wood is returned to metal.

Because this leads to saying that spells should still affect people turned to stone, dead people, disintigrated items, etc... You're basically saying that unless a dispel magic has occured every spell functions until the end of its duration regardless of the state of the object/person upon which it was cast.

Well, cancellation, as you suggest, is also not stated in the type change. By this logic, the spell still works at full power. Nothing is stated, so why not go with the less extreme option?

To me cancellation doesn't have to be mentioned as the magic cannot effect what it is supposed to be effecting so it cannot exist— just like all magic cast on a living PC ends when a PC bites it (unless explictly stated otherwise). Unlike antimagic, there are no extenuating circumstances as to why the magical effect should be surpressed as opposed to cancelled when the magical effect is subjected to conditions under which it cannot exist.

joe b.

 

[jgbrowning]

I fear I probably won't have any chance to contribute further to this thread for at least 18 hours, but have fun in my absence

-Hyp.

No worries. I just got the "when are you coming to bed, lunkhead?" look from the wife so I'm going to have to head off soon as well.


joe b.

 

[Rystil Arden]

Because this leads to saying that spells should still affect people turned to stone, dead people, disintigrated items, etc... You're basically saying that unless a dispel magic has occured every spell functions until the end of its duration regardless of the state of the object/person upon which it was cast.



To me cancellation doesn't have to be mentioned as the magic cannot effect what it is supposed to be effecting so it cannot exist— just like all magic cast on a living PC ends when a PC bites it (unless explictly stated otherwise). Unlike antimagic, there are no extenuating circumstances as to why the magical effect should be surpressed as opposed to cancelled when the magical effect is subjected to conditions under which it cannot exist.

joe b.

Magical diseases recur on someone who is raised by Raise Dead, but it never explicitly states that they work on dead people either. Similarly, spells do work on people who are turned to stone. Otherwise, it would make Flesh to Stone followed by Stone to Flesh a ridiculous Dispel Magic.

Imagine this scenario: Boris the Fighter and Albert the Wizard are attacked by a lich, and the lich casts some terrible spell on Boris (let's say Feeblemind, but if you think Feeblemind is an exception, it can be any terrible spell you like). Albert tries to dispel the spell three times, but it is no use. The lich is too powerful for this to ever work. "Not to worry!" says Albert. He casts Stone to Flesh and then Flesh to Stone and all of Boris's problems suddenly vanish. "Hey," says Albert, "That's better than a Greater Dispelling!"

 

[Hypersmurf]

Because this leads to saying that spells should still affect people turned to stone, dead people, disintigrated items, etc... You're basically saying that unless a dispel magic has occured every spell functions until the end of its duration regardless of the state of the object/person upon which it was cast.

I'd agree with that.

If you petrify someone who's under the effect of Enlarge Person, I'd expect the enormous statue to shrink back to normal size some minutes later.

If someone is willing to let you cast Gaseous form on them, they turn to mist for 2 min/level, even if they change their minds. You can dismiss the spell, but they can't... even by becoming unwilling creatures.

If I cast Lesser Geas on you (a living creature with less than 7HD) and then kill you, your corpse still radiates an aura of Enchantment [Compulsion], even though you're no longer a living creature. If you were Raised three days later, you'd still be under the compulsion... and you'd have a -6 to all ability scores.

-Hyp.

 

[Rystil Arden]

No worries. I just got the "when are you coming to bed, lunkhead?" look from the wife so I'm going to have to head off soon as well.


joe b.

Bah, the jgbrowning, Rystil Arden, and Hyper Smurf talk amongst themselves thread cannot persist without you guys, so I guess I shall throw in the towel for the night as well. It was a lot of fun chatting with you guys! (and if I thought PbP could be this fast and fun, I would actually play it)

 

[jgbrowning]

Magical diseases recur on someone who is raised by Raise Dead, but it never explicitly states that they work on dead people either. Similarly, spells do work on people who are turned to stone. Otherwise, it would make Flesh to Stone followed by Stone to Flesh a ridiculous Dispel Magic.

Imagine this scenario: Boris the Fighter and Albert the Wizard are attacked by a lich, and the lich casts some terrible spell on Boris (let's say Feeblemind, but if you think Feeblemind is an exception, it can be any terrible spell you like). Albert tries to dispel the spell three times, but it is no use. The lich is too powerful for this to ever work. "Not to worry!" says Albert. He casts Stone to Flesh and then Flesh to Stone and all of Boris's problems suddenly vanish. "Hey," says Albert, "That's better than a Greater Dispelling!"

Wow, i didn't notice that before. I though Stone to Flesh actually killed, but it doesn't. Oh well, take that off my list then. What about disintigrated items then?

joe b.

 

[jgbrowning]

I'd agree with that.

If you petrify someone who's under the effect of Enlarge Person, I'd expect the enormous statue to shrink back to normal size some minutes later.

If someone is willing to let you cast Gaseous form on them, they turn to mist for 2 min/level, even if they change their minds. You can dismiss the spell, but they can't... even by becoming unwilling creatures.

If I cast Lesser Geas on you (a living creature with less than 7HD) and then kill you, your corpse still radiates an aura of Enchantment [Compulsion], even though you're no longer a living creature. If you were Raised three days later, you'd still be under the compulsion... and you'd have a -6 to all ability scores.

-Hyp.

I was under the impression that all spells (unless explictly stated otherwise) were terminated upon the death of a PC. Is that correct or incorrect?

joe b.

 

[Hypersmurf]

On the Flesh to Stone note...

Flesh to Stone
The subject, along with all its carried gear, turns into a mindless, inert statue. If the statue resulting from this spell is broken or damaged, the subject (if ever returned to its original state) has similar damage or deformities. The creature is not dead, but it does not seem to be alive either when viewed with spells such as deathwatch.

Only creatures made of flesh are affected by this spell.

He's not a creature made of flesh any more, right? So he's unable to be affected by Flesh to Stone, so the spell is cancelled?

(Unless you only check at time of casting, not continuously...)

-Hyp.


EDIT - Ignore me. Flesh to Stone is Instantaneous.