D&D General JMISBEST's questions. Most of them about campaign ideas that either he or A GM he knows has and wants to know what people think

[CreamCloud0]

I've just remembered a idea I had for A Npc I was planning to use in A Edition 3.5 DAD Campaign but I never used the idea and I have a question about it. The question is would his mother being A Commoner that earned A Noble Title shortly after he turned 19 years, 2 months old make The Npc in the idea A Noble?

The Npc had A Common Born Mother gave birth 11 days after she turned 17

The Npc became A Adventurer when he was 19 years, 1 day old and his mother was 36 years, 1 week, 5 days old and just over, meaning within 4 days, 2 months after The Npc became A Adventurer his mother did something, I never decided what, that resulted in her being made A Very Minor Baroness

What I want to now is would being the son of A Women that despite being of common birth earned herself the title of Very Minor Baroness shortly after he turned 19 years, 2 month old make The Npc Future Very Minor Baron or would being the son of A Women that was born A Commoner that was only made A Very Minor Baroness shortly after her son turned 19 years, 2 months old mean that The Npc isn't A Noble

i think i understand the inherent question but i need to say you've presented it in an extremely convoluted phrasing, by giving unnessacary information and repeating yourself.

what you've asked here is 'would the adult son of a commoner woman who was raised to the rank of baroness shortly after the son left to be an adventurer also be granted the rank of noble'

i don't know the details of 3/3.5e and what rules there may be or not about noblehood, but unless you're using default lore this really sounds like something you need to Decide For Your Self based on the society you've created for your world, i could see the noblehood being passed down the bloodline due to him being her child but at the same time i could also see exceptions existing due to some factor of -it was explicitly only granted to the mother, -he was already born when she recieves the rank any potential children she might have would be nobles be he wouldn't, -being too old to qualify getting looped in by proxy or disqualified by already being self sufficient(adventurer).

i realise this isn't incredibly helpful for answering your issue.

 

[JMISBEST]

i think i understand the inherent question but i need to say you've presented it in an extremely convoluted phrasing, by giving unnessacary information and repeating yourself.

what you've asked here is 'would the adult son of a commoner woman who was raised to the rank of baroness shortly after the son left to be an adventurer also be granted the rank of noble'

i don't know the details of 3/3.5e and what rules there may be or not about noblehood, but unless you're using default lore this really sounds like something you need to Decide For Your Self based on the society you've created for your world, i could see the noblehood being passed down the bloodline due to him being her child but at the same time i could also see exceptions existing due to some factor of -it was explicitly only granted to the mother, -he was already born when she recieves the rank any potential children she might have would be nobles be he wouldn't, -being too old to qualify getting looped in by proxy or disqualified by already being self sufficient(adventurer).

i realise this isn't incredibly helpful for answering your issue.

Thanks

You saying or disqualified by already being self sufficient(adventurer) has given me a idea for a Similar question

If the son and heir of A regular(meaning neither minor nor senior) Baroness was bored enough of the lifestyle of A Future Baron to become a adventurer and whilst he was away enjoying the excitement of being away his mother is made A Senior Baroness would the fact that he became self sufficient(a adventurer) out of boredom disqualify him from becoming A Senior Baron?, meaning when his mother died he'd only become a regular Baron

 

[JMISBEST]

i think i understand the inherent question but i need to say you've presented it in an extremely convoluted phrasing, by giving unnessacary information and repeating yourself.

what you've asked here is 'would the adult son of a commoner woman who was raised to the rank of baroness shortly after the son left to be an adventurer also be granted the rank of noble'

i don't know the details of 3/3.5e and what rules there may be or not about noblehood, but unless you're using default lore this really sounds like something you need to Decide For Your Self based on the society you've created for your world, i could see the noblehood being passed down the bloodline due to him being her child but at the same time i could also see exceptions existing due to some factor of -it was explicitly only granted to the mother, -he was already born when she recieves the rank any potential children she might have would be nobles be he wouldn't, -being too old to qualify getting looped in by proxy or disqualified by already being self sufficient(adventurer).

i realise this isn't incredibly helpful for answering your issue.

I've just realized that when I posted the original thread I forgot to mention that even though the idea was for A 3.5e Dnd campaign with a little work it could have been used in any edition of Dnd, so if it helps give ideas for how it could work in other editions of Dnd

 

[CreamCloud0]

Thanks

You saying or disqualified by already being self sufficient(adventurer) has given me a idea for a Similar question

If the son and heir of A regular(meaning neither minor nor senior) Baroness was bored enough of the lifestyle of A Future Baron to become a adventurer and whilst he was away enjoying the excitement of being away his mother is made A Senior Baroness would the fact that he became self sufficient(a adventurer) out of boredom disqualify him from becoming A Senior Baron?, meaning when his mother died he'd only become a regular Baron

i'd say that he would be a senior baron, if only for the fact that as he was already a noble beforehand he is already part of the system and it would be less of a shift in rank to the previous scenario, i feel like although it is the baroness who specifically upgraded as head of the family all members of the House/immediate Family would correspondingly be upgraded too.

 

[JMISBEST]

i'd say that he would be a senior baron, if only for the fact that as he was already a noble beforehand he is already part of the system and it would be less of a shift in rank to the previous scenario, i feel like although it is the baroness who specifically upgraded as head of the family all members of the House/immediate Family would correspondingly be upgraded too.

That's given me another idea for 2-part question

If A regular Baron marries A Minor Baroness that he has 3 Kids with and his wife earns a elevation to Senior Baroness can the oldest kid inherit their mothers new title, the 2nd oldest kid inherit their fathers title and the youngest kid inherit his mothers old title. Personally I'd say it depends on the laws of the country it happens in, which are determined by The GM, but I want, and value, your opinion

The 2nd part of The Question is could The Baron whose wife has been elevated to A Senior Baroness be both A Regular Baron by birth and A Senior Baron by marriage. Again personally I'd say it depends on the laws of the country it happens in, which are determined by The GM, but I want, and value, your opinion

 

[General_Tangent]

That's given me another idea for 2-part question

If A regular Baron marries A Minor Baroness that he has 3 Kids with and his wife earns a elevation to Senior Baroness can the oldest kid inherit their mothers new title, the 2nd oldest kid inherit their fathers title and the youngest kid inherit his mothers old title. Personally I'd say it depends on the laws of the country it happens in, which are determined by The GM, but I want, and value, your opinion

The 2nd part of The Question is could The Baron whose wife has been elevated to A Senior Baroness be both A Regular Baron by birth and A Senior Baron by marriage. Again personally I'd say it depends on the laws of the country it happens in, which are determined by The GM, but I want, and value, your opinion

I guess it would depend on what sort of society you have sorted out for your campaign world.

Under the British system of nobility it all depends on what the monarch decides.

The Wikipedia article should give you some ideas on how it is structured:

British nobility - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If you want an in game system, then you might draw inspiration from King Arthur Pendragon as it deals with dukes, earls, knights, lands, heirs and spares

 

[CreamCloud0]

That's given me another idea for 2-part question

If A regular Baron marries A Minor Baroness that he has 3 Kids with and his wife earns a elevation to Senior Baroness can the oldest kid inherit their mothers new title, the 2nd oldest kid inherit their fathers title and the youngest kid inherit his mothers old title. Personally I'd say it depends on the laws of the country it happens in, which are determined by The GM, but I want, and value, your opinion

The 2nd part of The Question is could The Baron whose wife has been elevated to A Senior Baroness be both A Regular Baron by birth and A Senior Baron by marriage. Again personally I'd say it depends on the laws of the country it happens in, which are determined by The GM, but I want, and value, your opinion

i think in both scenarios, when they're legally bound to another by marriage or direct blood, the noble rank of the family is treated as a whole defaulting to the highest member's rank (in trickle down fashion, the childern would all become senior baron/ess's to be when the mother is upgraded to senior baroness but one of the children increasing in noble rank wouldn't go up the pole to affect the parents),

so like, you couldn't have a senior baroness with a lesser baron as the husband, he would be made a senior baron by default when the baroness is made senior baroness or when he marries her is she already had the rank (although in the circumstance when they divorce the senior baron would return to being a regular baron if he hadn't independently aquired the senior rank for himself (but not if he were widowed, what's the term for a male widow?))

 

[General_Tangent]

what's the term for a male widow?))

Widower.

 

[JMISBEST]

i think in both scenarios, when they're legally bound to another by marriage or direct blood, the noble rank of the family is treated as a whole defaulting to the highest member's rank (in trickle down fashion, the childern would all become senior baron/ess's to be when the mother is upgraded to senior baroness but one of the children increasing in noble rank wouldn't go up the pole to affect the parents),

so like, you couldn't have a senior baroness with a lesser baron as the husband, he would be made a senior baron by default when the baroness is made senior baroness or when he marries her is she already had the rank (although in the circumstance when they divorce the senior baron would return to being a regular baron if he hadn't independently aquired the senior rank for himself (but not if he were widowed, what's the term for a male widow?))

When his wife earns a elevation to Senior Baroness wouldn't The Baron in question be both A Regular Baron by Birth and A Senior Baron by marriage?, in my opinion it would be up to The GM but I want to know what others think

 

[haakon1]

What I want to now is would being the son of A Women that despite being of common birth earned herself the title of Very Minor Baroness shortly after he turned 19 years, 2 month old make The Npc Future Very Minor Baron or would being the son of A Women that was born A Commoner that was only made A Very Minor Baroness shortly after her son turned 19 years, 2 months old mean that The Npc isn't A Noble

This isn’t a rules question, but a role playing question.

In my mind, he’d be considered “more important” and a gentleman. Depending on what his mother did and politics, he might be welcomed with open arms by other nobles or a social pariah to the upper class. Likely, the degree to which he is accepted would vary from person to person and increase over time.

A fair amount of literature is about situations like this. “The Gilded Age”, “Downton Abbey”, and “Last Kingdom” spring to mind, with very different aristocracies.

As usual, your questions are thought provoking, but there’s no single definitive “rules” answer. And that’s good.