Joker pic for Dark Knight

[Banshee16]

Exactly my point. Craig's Bond was passable at best. Craig's Bond movie was overlong, dull, contradictory, and sometimes incoherent. Whether its Batman or Bond, it's still formulaic fiction. The reason both have lasted so long is because the formula works. I can appreciate creative types wanting to fiddle with the formula, but most attempts fail in a number of ways directly proportional to how much formula-fiddling is done.

But enough of me criticizing a movie that hasn't even been finished! This thread is about the horrible Joker pic!

Did we see the same movie? Anyone I've talked to felt that this was the best Bond in years. No more geeky gadgets. The new Bond is hard core (relatively)..

Banshee

 

[Nightfall]

Banshee,

Someone's hardcore is apparently someone else's crappy movie.

Me I like the Joker pic.

 

[Klaus]

My brother collected the Grant/Breyfogle run for quite awhile. Excellent stuff. In fact, I think it was Grant who introduced Tim Drake as the new Robin. I'll always thank him for that. Jim Starlin was decent as well, but I'm not sure I remember the political commentary you're mentioning. Then again, it's been years since I last read those issues, so the details are a bit fuzzy to me.

As for the recent writers, well I agree with your assessment on Morrison. I enjoyed the initial part of his run on New X-men, but when it came to the part with the whole Xorn/Magneto crap I turned away in disgust. Loeb however I'm not to sure of, the only thing I've read of his is Superman/Batman, and I hated it. His writing is far to preachy and condescending for me to relate to. That said though, I'm glad he brought Supergirl back, though the way he writes her leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Among the elite writers, I have to agree that Frank Miller wrote the perfect Batman stories with DKR and Year One (that doesn't mean though I'll forgive him for the travesty that is All Star Batman and Robin). But there's one writer who doesn't get mentioned when it comes to the caped crusader, and that's Alan Moore. Sure he didn't write as much on the character as someone like Miller, but I've always liked his take on Batman.

Really, I have to agree with Klaus, if Batman isn't written with some sense of humor, he falls flat character wise. Alan Grant showed that aspect of him well.

Actually, Tim Drake was first introduced by Marv Wolfman in the Batman/New Titans crossover "A Lonely Place of Dying". Tim first donned the original Robin costume and the modern Robin costume under the wings (heh) of Grant & Breyfogle. The costume was designed by Neal Adams, though.

 

[Banshee16]

Banshee,

Someone's hardcore is apparently someone else's crappy movie.

Me I like the Joker pic.

Oh, I understand.....I might not agree, but I understand the concept.

I just can't see how it could be a crappy movie, but oh well. You can't please everyone.

Banshee

 

[Nightfall]

Banshee,

No you can't. Trust me, a month elsewhere proved that to me QUITE well. And I'm glad to be back here where I don't have to prove it.

I like Tim btw. He's a better Robin than either Grayson or that other guy that's not dead any more was/is.

 

[horacethegrey]

Actually, Tim Drake was first introduced by Marv Wolfman in the Batman/New Titans crossover "A Lonely Place of Dying". Tim first donned the original Robin costume and the modern Robin costume under the wings (heh) of Grant & Breyfogle. The costume was designed by Neal Adams, though.

Ah. Thank you for clearing that up. As I said, it's been a long time since I last read these stories. So the names of the people who worked on them is fuzzy at best.

 

[Nightfall]

Horace,

Yeah well it's common among DC history where peoples creations get lost in the shuffle along side other stuff that happens in continuity with the comics.

 

[Hand of Evil]

By the way, how about Truth Seeker's humor on it in the news.

 

[mmu1]

I had huge misgivings about Heath Ledger in the role - and while this shot of Joker hasn't dispelled them, I think it looks great.

I have zero interest in yet another movie born entirely out of the director's nostalgia for reading comics while growing up as a kid in the 60s or 70s - there's a big difference between drawing inspiration from something and slavishly copying, and as I didn't grow up reading those comics (in fact, I pretty much got into comics in the last few years, while already in my twenties, as a result of hanging out with a new D&D group containing several bigtime comic geeks), watching them on the big screen in all their corny and cartoonish glory does absolutely nothing for me.

Which is why I think what Nolan looks intent on doing - making movies using characters and stories from the comic books rather than making the comic books into movies - is so much better than what Raimi or Singer (after his turn to the dark side last year) have been at.

This shot, at least, actually looks like someone who was disfigured in a horrible way, and then embraced it and made it worse by taking on a "clown" persona, rather than someone dressed up like a cartoon character going to a Halloween party, as is too often the case with these movies.

 

[DonTadow]

....

Bring back Jack!

I can't stomach another movie of Jack Nicholson vs. batman. Jack plays jack in every movie.