Just Not Feelin' It...

Ogrork the Mighty said:
I dunno, I'm just not feelin' D&D in general and 4E in particular. Feels like I've wasted a whole whack of money on a bunch of books that are going to be nothing more than general resource material. Added to the cancellation of Dragon and Dungeon and user fees for the website and maybe it's time to let D&D go.

Well, I don't think I'll be getting any 4E stuff (nor did I get 3.5 stuff), but I'll say that it's a very intersting time right now. For the first time, as the D&D publishers make a switch (and it sounds like it's a really big one), the OGL allows other people to legally continue publishing the rules in their entirety, and products fully compatible with the game we've been playing all along. So there's the potential for someone to continue with really strong support for the game that most looks like the traditional D&D game. I'll personally be pretty interested to see if that happens or not.

Personally, I've been finding myself more excited to run a D&D game with rules in the shape I and my players prefer than I have in some time. I think in a certain light it's possibly kind of freeing.
 
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Arkhandus said:
The PS3, like most consoles, is made in response to consumer demand for better graphics, better processing power for smoother gameplay, and support for newer technologies like HDTV. Now, granted, in the PS3's case, there's also some motivation by Sony to produce the PS3 as a means of promoting their BluRay disc technology.

What? Are you saying that 4E is not coming in high definition? That's a bummer. I thought my imagination would get 4 times as much pixels as it used to.

Seriously, I think F4NBOY has a legit point. Most other businesses get away with improving their products. Now, a new edition will decrease support for older editions, but that's the same with videogames, cars* (if you insist driving a really old car), computers, cell phones .. anything.

* Heh, just like 3E, a cars model might last 6-7 years with a facelift in the middle.
 

Ogrork the Mighty said:
That's kinda how I'm feeling with D&D right now. I don't feel the hype I felt with 3E and I don't feel I had enough time to get full usage out of the books I bought.

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I dunno, maybe it's just time to move on.
Take a break from gaming. It doesn't have to be forever; many people come back refreshed and enthusiastic after anything from weeks to years.

Take a break from D&D and play something else. Even if you want to keep rolling your d20, there's Iron Heroes, d20 Modern, Star Wars (old and new)... or you could play something completely different.

Keep playing 3E. Get the full usage out of the books you have. Between the books that are out and Paizo's adventure paths, I know I could keep playing 3E for at least a couple of years before it got stale.

You have plenty of options. Don't give in to the edition switch blues, man! ;)
 
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HeapThaumaturgist said:
My only complaint about 4E, really, is that ... I'm not playtesting it. Aaarrggghhh.
But you could be, couldn't you? They'll be recruiting playtesters through the RPGA and Gleemax, right?

Oh, dare I hope... :o
 

I have a lot of books for 3rd edition that I haven't used yet. Hell, I still have some 2nd ed books that never got fully stretched. I'm looking at 4e as potential house-rule ideas for my 3.5 campaigns.
 

jasin said:
Take a break from gaming. It doesn't have to be forever; many people come back refreshed and enthusiastic after anything from weeks to years.

Take a break from D&D and play something else. Even if you want to keep rolling your d20, there's Iron Heroes, d20 Modern, Star Wars (old and new)... or you could play something completely different.

Keep playing 3E. Get the full usage out of the books you have. Between the books that are out and Paizo's adventure paths, I know I could keep playing 3E for at least a couple of years before it got stale.

You have plenty of options. Don't give in to the edition switch blue, man! ;)
What jasin said. I have grown tired of 3E and wrapped up my game and am going to start another game system different genre campaign in a month or so. I will be curious enough to follow the 4e preview news and by the time it comes out, I'll definitely take a look even if I don't buy anything. And who knows? After my time not playing D&D and if the 4e rules are less bloated and slow than 3.x (I'm referring even to core rules, not just sourcebook bloat), I might even pick up again. Or not. It's just not a stressor for me. Don't let it be for you.
 

F4NBOY said:
Do you want a cheer up? Since you talked about video games...
Think about all the poor souls that spent thousands of dollars in the Play Station 2 and its games, thousands of dollars. And then, that money grabber Sony released Play Station 3. How could it? WHY? Wasn't Play Station 2 good enough? Do we really need a new console? Or is the only purpose behind Sony is to take all our pennies?
What in heavens will all those poor people do with all those obsolete games and that obsolete console?
I really have no idea, but think that you probably spent less money than them, maybe. But at least you are not alone in this evil capitalist world. Much more suffer like you.
Good luck.

PS 2 and 3 = backwards compatable. DnD 4E not so much.
 


Ogrork the Mighty said:
I dunno, I'm just not feelin' D&D in general and 4E in particular.

I know how you feel. I was actually looking forward to the announcement, feeling that the time was about right. But since then, there's been a kind of 'meh' feel about it all. They haven't released any information that has made me simply say, "cool!"

But it's early days. Perhaps the thing to do is to forget about 4e for a few months, and just concentrate on playing? Perhaps you should run that killer 3e campaign you always promised you would, but never got around to? Or perhaps just take a break for a while?

Then, when 4e hits, take a look, see what you think, and either buy it or don't? After all, it is just about possible that they might blow us all away with this new and improved system, isn't it?
 

Fifth Element said:
Once more with feeling: Wizards of the Coast is a business. It exists to make money. If it stops making money, it ceases to exist, and all the game designers it employs become unemployed. They have very clear incentives to make money.

If you don't want to give any more pennies to Wizards, don't. And perhaps move on, as you suggest.
There are (at least) two ways a business can make money.

1. By pumping out product with "inbuilt redundancy" and pressuring people to upgrade.

2. By continually making a quality product, supporting it, and treating your fanbase as a group of loyal customers to be cherished rather than rubes to be bilked out of easy money.

...chess has managed to last hundreds (thousands?) of years without any changes to the core rules, and still remains one of the most popular games in the world. IMHO, the whole idea that games rules must continually evolve or die is just plain false.

I'm not saying that WotC is evil, or even greedy necessarily; but I hardly think they are the poster boys of rewarding customer loyalty or listening to their fanbase, either...
 

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